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    Posted: 10 Oct. 09 at 21:30

Nobel Prize-Winning Virologist's New Research Gives Significant Support to Homeopathic Pharmacology

by Dana Ullman, MPH

 [No date but the article came out in September 2009, I believe.]


Professor Luc Montagnier is a French virologist who co-discovered HIV and who won the Nobel Prize in 2008.  Dr. Montagnier has received many other significant awards, though his newest research, which may explain how and why homeopathic medicines maintain their biological activity in extreme dilution, may be his most significant to date.


In a recent paper, Prof Montagnier, and his team report the results of a series of rigorous experiments investigating the electromagnetic (EM) properties of highly-diluted biological samples.  This new research is significant enough that the bio of Prof Montagnier on wikipedia already highlights it: 


(however, predictably enough, this research is ignored in wikipedia’s article on homeopathy). 


The abstract of this research in part asserts, “A novel property of DNA is described: the capacity of some bacterial DNA sequences to induce electromagnetic waves at high aqueous dilutions. It appears to be a resonance phenomenon triggered by the ambient electromagnetic background of very low frequency waves.”


Although homeopathy is not mentioned anywhere in the article, the researchers used aqueous solutions that were agitated and serially diluted (the researchers note that the solutions were “strongly agitated” and that this step was “critical for the generation of signals”).


The researchers also note that they used a device made by French immunologist Jacques Benveniste (the famous physician/scientist who conducted studies testing homeopathic doses and whose work was initially published in NATURE, and then, it was “debunked” in that same journal a month later). 


The researchers found that pathogenic bacteria and viruses show a distinct EM signature at dilutions ranging from 10(-5) to 10(-12) (corresponding to 5X to 12X) and that small DNA fragments (responsible for pathogenicity) were solely accountable for the EM signal.


The researchers also noted that one experiment found significant effects from dilutions as high as 10(-18) (equivalent to 18X).  The EM signature changed with dilution levels but was unaffected by the initial concentration and remained even after the remaining DNA fragments were destroyed by chemical agents.


Of additional interest was the researchers’ observation that they observed the SAME results whether their initial concentration of cells were just 10 or 10(9)(this is 10 to the 9th power = 10,000,000,000 cells).


They observed that the EM signal was destroyed by heating or freezing the sample (a common observation that homeopaths have also found in their medicines). Also, a 'cross-talk' effect was found whereby a negative sample inhibits the positive signal in another sample if they are left together overnight in a shielded container. The researchers propose that specific aqueous nanostructures form in the samples during the dilution process and are responsible for the EM effects measured. 


The researchers also detected the same electromagnetic signals in the plasma and in the DNA extracted from the plasma of patients suffering from Alzheimer, Parkinson disease, multiple sclerosis, and rheumatoid arthritis.


The researchers also quote Italian physicist, E. Del Guidice, the same scientist who Benveniste cited, for positing that water molecules can form long polymers of dipoles associated by hydrogen bonds and that electromagnetic radiations that the emit enable them to avoid decay. 


With this initial paper Prof Montagnier and his team have started a very promising line of enquiry, which has direct relevance to homeopathy as they continue to investigate the characteristic physico-chemical properties found in high-dilutions of biological material. 


Reference:  Luc Montagnier, Jamal Aissa, Stéphane Ferris, Jean-Luc Montagnier, Claude Lavallee, Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences.  Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci (2009) 1: 81-90.



Professor Luc Montagnier was the Director of the Oncology Virus Unit at the Pasteur Institute when the AIDS epidemic emerged.  He is a retired Professor of the Pasteur Institute and a member of the French Academies of Science and Medicine.  He remains active in AIDS research in many countries throughout the world.


But by far the most important finding was that “a 'cross-talk' effect was found whereby a negative sample inhibits the positive signal in another sample if they are left together overnight in a shielded container.”


Unfortunately, I still can’t open the link to the original file.  (My Adobe program shuts down.)  I was able to review some of the original article in html format.  It said:


A donor tube of a low “silent” dilution of E. Coli (103) was placed side by side close to a receiver tube of the positive “loud” highest dilution of the same preparation (109). Both tubes were placed in a mumetal box for 24 hours at room temperature, so that the tubes were not exposed to external electromagnetic noise, and only exposed to the signals generated by the structures present in the tubes themselves.


The tubes were then read again by the signal detecting device: the donor tube was still silent, however the receiver tube became also silent.


This suggests to me that the dilutions basically ‘cancelled each other out’.  Which is what appears to happen when the right remedy encounters the corresponding disease state (very over-simplified, but essentially that’s it).


IMHO, discoveries of this kind and further investigation are what will lead to eventual confirmation of the efficacy of homeopathic medicines. 


Fair enough.  Let the best scientific minds figure out what all the fuss is about.


It does not appear that any attempt was made in this research to dilute the substances higher than an 18x potency.


All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed; then it is violently opposed; finally it is accepted as self-evident. – Arthur Schopenhauer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct. 09 at 22:31


Truth will never die ..
Thanks truthfinder for this article...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct. 09 at 04:25

WOW ! Thanks, Tracy ! that report just comes in handy for my thesis.
And as Gandhi said: Those who walk the path of truth will never stumble !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct. 09 at 05:12
You are both most welcome!  Thanks for taking a moment to comment.  Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 10 at 12:17
Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier on homeopathy medicine:"water has memory"

Three Nobel Prize winners have done studies on high dilutions ( similar to Homeopathic) and have proven their effects.

1. Hans Von Euler –Nobel Laureate Chemistry 1929

2. Brian David Josephson –Nobel Laureate Physics 1973

3. Luc Montagnier –Nobel Laureate Physiology & Medicine 2009

Quoted: Mohanautro, http://www.life-in-sydney.info
Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone
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