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    Posted: 07 Feb. 09 at 07:16

I accidentally ran across this article 2 days ago, and then found a bit of additional information on it later.  I was stunned…… and thrilled!  Apparently, Isaac Golden has commented about it (see below) so I assume it must be true…… I’ve not seen this information pop up anywhere yet so thought I’d post it.

 

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http://homeopathyresource.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/successful-use-of-homeopathy-in-over-5-million-people-reported-from-cuba/

 

Successful Use of Homeopathy In Over 2.5 Million People Reported From Cuba

 

Posted on January 1, 2009 by homeopathyresource

 

A remarkable successful use of homeopathic prophylaxis was reported from a Cuban conference. Of course, the exact numbers and results are still to be published. Cuba has its own vaccine production and instead of using a conventional medical vaccine homeopathic remedies were distributed to prevent the usual Leptospirosis outbreak after tropical flooding. The results were phenomenally excellent!

 

The CDC describes Leptospirosis as:

“Leptospirosis is a bacterial disease that affects humans and animals. It is caused by bacteria of the genus Leptospira. In humans it causes a wide range of symptoms, and some infected persons may have no symptoms at all. Symptoms of leptospirosis include high fever, severe headache, chills, muscle aches, and vomiting, and may include jaundice (yellow skin and eyes), red eyes, abdominal pain, diarrhea, or a rash. If the disease is not treated, the patient could develop kidney damage, meningitis (inflammation of the membrane around the brain and spinal cord), liver failure, and respiratory distress.”

 

Here is a report from an attendee of  a recent conference in Cuba:

 

A historical and inspiring event took place 10-12 December 2008 in Havana Cuba that I had the honour to attend. There, the Carlos J Finlay Institute under the guidance of its director-general, Dra. Conception Campa Huergo and Dr. Gustavo Bravo and others hosted NOSODES 2008, an International Meeting on Homeoprophilaxis, Homeopathic Immunization and Nosodes against Epidemics.

 

Homeopaths from Cuba, S America, Canada, Australia, UK, and Kenya (yours truly) made presentations on the wide varieties of successful disease prevention using homeopathy and more specifically, nosodes.

 

Each presentation was more amazing than the previous. All were very remarkable and notable in the field of research and science. Some of the topics included Childhood Disease Prevention, Homeopathic prophylaxis as an aspect of gov’tal programs, Nosodes Genus Epidemicus and Complexes, Homeoprophylaxis on Agronomy, Homeoprophylaxis on Veternary, Homeoprophylaxis in TB, Homeoprophylaxis in Chagas disease, Homeoprophylaxis in hepatitis, Homeoprophylaxis in Malaria (yours truly, again) and the list of presentations goes on.

 

(I am sorry for my lack of variety of adjectives for this email - “remarkable”, “awesome” and “amazing” will be repeated often because I have no other way to express my opinion of this conference)

 

THE PREVENTION OF EPIDEMIC LEPTOSPIROSIS IN CUBA

 

But none of these remarkable speakers, each presenting their amazing work in disease prevention and use of nosodes could not hold a candle to the historical accomplishment of the Cubans in their presentation of controlling the local endemic-epidemic disease of Leptospirosis.

 

Now, the Finlay Institute is primarily the Cuban research institute that produces allopathic vaccinations for their country. Since Cuba is outcasted by the USA government, they have come to depend on themselves for the making of medicines, health care programs, etc. And since the Cuba is not under the yoke of the international pharmaceutical juggernaut, they are not held back from adopting homeopathy and other alternative medicines wholeheartedly into their national health programmes. The Finlay director-general herself is very pro-homeopathy (not to mention, besides, a macrobiotic vegetarian).

 

To put it simply, what they presented is this:

 

Cuba goes through a yearly cycle of Leptospirosis epidemic, especially after the hurricanes flood the countryside and water pollution reaches its height. (Leptospirosis: infectious disease caused by the spirochaete Leptospira transmitted to humans from rats, giving jaundice and kidney damage. Can cause death)

 

Annually the population is exposed to the disease, most especially after hurricanes.

 

Until Aug 2007, the Finlay Institute (a part of the Ministry of Public Health, Cuba) has been distributing its own allopathic Lepto vaccination. August is the height of the hurricane season. Annually, many are left homeless, flooded out and under the stress of disaster situation. There is a sharp rise in the lepto epidemic.

 

The usual expectacny of infection even with allopathic vaccination would have been around a few thousands, with some deaths included.

 

Part of the reason for this is that the high cost of vaccination prevents putting but the most at-risk populations (ie children, pregnant women, elderly) on vaccination. The cost of such limited vaccination is about US$3,000.000.

 

But in Aug 2007, Finlay put approximately [2,500,000] people (yes! 5 million doses!) in 2 provinces on homoepathic nosode prophylaxis at the cost of about only US$ 200,000.

 

That figure represents the entire population of the 2 provinces. The prophylaxis consisted of 2 single doses about 2 weeks apart. Included in the dose was the Lepto nosode + some Bach flower remedies to address the mental distress of the disaster situation.

 

How very amazing it was to watch this presentation being made. Up to the point, the presenters were showing us graph after graph of the usual rise of the epidemic, year after year, even with the use of allopathic vaccination. Each year the graphs would edge higher and higher towards the year-end, reaching up to the thousands of infected.

 

But this time, within 2 weeks after Aug 2007, the rising lines literally dropped off the chart to ZERO-Ten infections only! Yes. Near-zero infections, zero deaths from leptospirosis after Aug 2007. And in 2008, no deaths, infections less than 10 a month.

 

HISTORY MADE for Homeopathy

 

This mass treatment of 2.5 million people with homeopathy, I don’t believe, has been done anywhere else in the world, not even in India, where homeopathy enjoys the shelter of the government.

 

And the awesome results of going from hundreds of infected to near-zero in the period of a few weeks, also is historical. My jaw dropped as I watched the graphs demonstrate their success.

 

The Cuban team readily admits that they have not invented anything new as far as homeopathic philosophy or application. They have simply followed what we homeopaths know to work. And since they have no pharmaceutical multi-nationals to stop them, they were able to do it on a massive scale unknown in the history of homeopathy.

 

What is remarkable is their application to such a large population, and its dramatic success, with full scientific verification. The results are incontrovertible and undeniable even by the most rabid of anti-homeopaths.

 

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As a word or two about Dra Heurgo, Dr. Bravo and the rest of the Cuban team. Truly remarkable people. “Concita” as Dra Heurgo is lovingly known by the people of Cuba, is well known and loved as a woman who has done remarkable work to improve the health of the population. I found her to be a remarkable person - untiring, passionate about her work and compassionate in her motivation to serve her fellow human beings.

 

I should like to nominate her for the Nobel Prize.

 

[This post was edited to show and correct that there were 5 million doses and to 2.5 million people]

 

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http://www.irishhomeopaths.com/homeopathy-cuba

 

Dr. Isaac Golden, who attended the conference, adds:

 

As a point of correction, 5,000,000 doses were administered, but covered 2,500,000 people (there being 2 doses per person). However this is still a dramatic and wonderful result. I am hoping to run a very rigorous trial in 2009 with Conchita and Gustavo, involving also epidemiologists in Australia, and see if we can get some watertight data.

 

All participants (myself included) were heartened to see practical homoeopathy in action - and it is something which opponents of homoeopathic immunisation both from within and without our profession should take note of. These people actually do things - not just theorise - for the benefit of all

 

regards

 

Dr Isaac Golden

 

Another similar article on a British homeopathy site:

Cuba prevents annual epidemic among 5m people using homeopathy:

http://avilian.co.uk/2009/01/cuba-prevents-annual-epidemic-among-5m-people-using-homeopathy/

 

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  Quote Katja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb. 09 at 08:12

Hi Tracy !

I read this article yesterday by chance. Fascinating, isn`t it ?
We will have someone from Cuba in one of our next ezines to write about the congress and experience/success in homeoprophylaxis. I hope it will materialize, it`s absolute interesting.
I wish Homeopathys contractors would read it !
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Hi, Katja!

 

So happy to hear that something will be in the ezine about this in the near future.  This news is just too good to ignore.

 

Yes, yes – I’ve been trying to think of some way to get this out into the ‘mainstream’ news…… a place where it might get some national or international attention.  It’s more likely to happen in your country or the U.K. than here, sadly. 

 

I plan to post this on the Lyme board as there has been some intense discussion lately about using Lyme nosodes combined with bio-photons and/or light therapy stemming from a new treatment protocol in Germany.  So, it’s a place to start with this news from Cuba, but far shy of the attention it deserves.

 

The only reason I saw this article in the first place was researching cat and dog vaccinations – I’m radically revising my vaccine plan for my pets.  Leptospirosis  is becoming a new ‘fear’ for dog owners here, and the Lepto vaccination is fast becoming  ‘routine’ for dogs here (sometimes without even consulting the owner)!  Crazy.

 

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What a fascinating and exhilarating experience indeed;Hats off to the Cuban Government for conducting a massive drive against the special epidemic with a homeopathic Nosode  with brilliant and bewildering results.

Truthfinder,thank you also for posting on Hpathy forum;

Cuba has a wonderful and a citizen friendly medical care system which Micheal Moores film of 2007 Sicko portrayed in the movie and compared to medical care system of USA and Canada;

Its time that the yoke of the pharmaceuticals juggernaut be put to shame by proving that the conventional vaccines cause "disaster"where as Homeopathy Nosodes deliver;;Viva Cuba;

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Wequar, you speak from my heart !
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I love it!  Clap   Thank you for posting such an informative read. Thumbs Up

So, basically, where the capitalist piggies PigPig's of Big Pharma are run out of town LOL, health care systems often do better even under dictatorships!  Confused   Not just that, but Fidel Castro is now teaching America how to better survive germ warfare and our own capitalist piggies PigPig probably won't listen to him. Ermm  I have to send this to some old Cold War haters of Castro.  This is to fun.  Thank you!  Tongue
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Oh, VRRM/2009, PRRM/2009Wink
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You are most welcome, Wequar and DocQuack.

 

I feel like dancing in the street about this!  Tongue It’s hard to argue with the results of an ‘experiment’ this large (though the arguments will come, no doubt). 

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this is very interesting,  i eagerly await the full report.

truthfinder, what is the status with your lyme infection?  did you ever use the ledum protocol?


edit:  doing some research i see that the mortality rate is quite low ranging from 1 in 800,000 to 1 in 100,000.

i'm interested in seeing what results they come up with and how significant it is.

http://www.medicc.org/publications/medicc_review/I/premier/html/body_lepto.htm
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Hi, Astro!

 

I finally got a chance to check out the link you posted…..

 

Rather than mortality rates, the things I’m more concerned about are the permanent organ damage (primarily kidney or liver) and things like spontaneous abortions (as seen in horses) as a result of having the disease.  So, fatalities are a concern but so are the long-term consequences to the survivors, both human and animal.

 

The only real response I got to this article over on the Lyme board was, of course, from a skeptic (but not a rabid one, though).  And frankly, the fact that the only real ‘sources’ of this information are from homeopathic sites, it’s a legitimate concern.

 

I’ve tried to find some corroborating data from an outside source.  The day I posted this here, I Googled some key words from this several different ways and couldn’t come up with anything.  I found a bit more a couple of days ago…. here’s an article from the Finlay website – “the Finlay Institute is primarily the Cuban research institute that produces allopathic vaccinations for their country” – but my computer won’t load the document!  Here’s the link – you might see what’s there:

http://www.finlay.sld.cu/nosodes/en/nosodesIngles.htm

 

But let’s face it:  There will be no coverage or acknowledgement of this event by anyone in the scientific community that values his or her reputation.  They will be crucified and they know it.

 

Know anybody at Gitmo we can call?  Smile

 

I read that Lyme Disease is now found in the Cuban population, so perhaps something innovative on the prevention or treatment fronts will be tried down there, homeopathic or otherwise…..  at least their minds are open to unconventional possibilities.

 

Astro, thanks for asking about the status of my Lyme infection:  You know, I’m not sure what the answer is.  Aside from ‘common conventional testing’ (which I won’t do), I had a blood test done a year ago which measures a certain subset of NK (Natural Killer) cells which is believed to be directly suppressed by a Lyme infection.  My result DID come back low – but just barely low.  Too bad I didn’t know about this test when I first started out; maybe it is much higher than it was previously.  Anyway, I’m still not well, but then I haven’t been concentrating much on treating ‘Lyme’ – been working more on my osteoporosis, mineral balance, and a Vitamin D deficiency/balance issue, which hasn’t worked out nearly as well as I’d hoped.  I’m unable to tolerate Calc-phos 6x cell salts, which I’d hoped would be the core of my bone-building plan, nor can I tolerate BioPlasma cell salt combo.  I may have to try something less common, like Vermiculitum or Osteoarthriticum……

 

Yep, did the ‘Ledum protocol’, but not in the right way.  What a disaster!  I think I’m probably STILL in a ‘Ledum state’ and I took Ledum clear back in early 2005 (I think).  I am living proof of what happens when you get tangled up with a practitioner (an ND in this case) who knows little about classical homeopathy and case management.  As much as I like this ND as a person, he probably did more harm than good with me.  It was AFTER that that I began to teach myself about homeopathy – mostly for self-protection.  Seriously.  I had no idea at the time that what I was doing could harm me.

 

Well, I’d better quit – I’ll bet you’re sorry you asked about the Lyme thing. Wink

 

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Originally posted by Truthfinder

Hi, Astro!

 

I finally got a chance to check out the link you posted…..

 

Rather than mortality rates, the things I’m more concerned about are the permanent organ damage (primarily kidney or liver) and things like spontaneous abortions (as seen in horses) as a result of having the disease.  So, fatalities are a concern but so are the long-term consequences to the survivors, both human and animal.

 

The only real response I got to this article over on the Lyme board was, of course, from a skeptic (but not a rabid one, though).  And frankly, the fact that the only real ‘sources’ of this information are from homeopathic sites, it’s a legitimate concern.

 

I’ve tried to find some corroborating data from an outside source.  The day I posted this here, I Googled some key words from this several different ways and couldn’t come up with anything.  I found a bit more a couple of days ago…. here’s an article from the Finlay website – “the Finlay Institute is primarily the Cuban research institute that produces allopathic vaccinations for their country” – but my computer won’t load the document!  Here’s the link – you might see what’s there:

http://www.finlay.sld.cu/nosodes/en/nosodesIngles.htm

 

But let’s face it:  There will be no coverage or acknowledgement of this event by anyone in the scientific community that values his or her reputation.  They will be crucified and they know it.

 

Know anybody at Gitmo we can call?  Smile

 

I read that Lyme Disease is now found in the Cuban population, so perhaps something innovative on the prevention or treatment fronts will be tried down there, homeopathic or otherwise…..  at least their minds are open to unconventional possibilities.

 

Astro, thanks for asking about the status of my Lyme infection:  You know, I’m not sure what the answer is.  Aside from ‘common conventional testing’ (which I won’t do), I had a blood test done a year ago which measures a certain subset of NK (Natural Killer) cells which is believed to be directly suppressed by a Lyme infection.  My result DID come back low – but just barely low.  Too bad I didn’t know about this test when I first started out; maybe it is much higher than it was previously.  Anyway, I’m still not well, but then I haven’t been concentrating much on treating ‘Lyme’ – been working more on my osteoporosis, mineral balance, and a Vitamin D deficiency/balance issue, which hasn’t worked out nearly as well as I’d hoped.  I’m unable to tolerate Calc-phos 6x cell salts, which I’d hoped would be the core of my bone-building plan, nor can I tolerate BioPlasma cell salt combo.  I may have to try something less common, like Vermiculitum or Osteoarthriticum……

 

Yep, did the ‘Ledum protocol’, but not in the right way.  What a disaster!  I think I’m probably STILL in a ‘Ledum state’ and I took Ledum clear back in early 2005 (I think).  I am living proof of what happens when you get tangled up with a practitioner (an ND in this case) who knows little about classical homeopathy and case management.  As much as I like this ND as a person, he probably did more harm than good with me.  It was AFTER that that I began to teach myself about homeopathy – mostly for self-protection.  Seriously.  I had no idea at the time that what I was doing could harm me.

 

Well, I’d better quit – I’ll bet you’re sorry you asked about the Lyme thing. Wink

 



my friend spends some time on the yahoo lyme boards, trying one thing after the next.

presently it is the Buhner method.  something about taking 4 or 5 herbs.  some of these supposedly kill organisms, one may just act as an antioxidant (resiveratrol (sp?))

he was the one with the pick line to the heart with antibiotics.

still sick so he assumes the spirochetes are still in him.

i'm not so sure.  i told him 50/50.  possibly more likely he has post lyme syndrome.

i came up with a theory last week...... syphylis is a spirochete and if left untreated leads to mental breakdown/destruction of the mind.

since he had it untreated for 15 years is it possible that his mind has been damaged and all these crazy symptoms he has is a result of that as opposed to the spirochetes still being in his body.

what u think?



http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Lyme-Prevention-Borreliosis-Coinfections/dp/0970869630

this is buhner's book, heard of it?



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Sorry about your friend, Astro – what co-infections did he get tested for?  My guess is that he’s got another infection that may have to be handled first, like Babesia or Bartonella.  But that’s just a wild guess.  It’s a complex disease.

 

I have Buhner’s book – got it kind of by accident.  I’ve never even looked it over thoroughly, to be honest.  We had quite a few folks on the Lyme board doing the Buhner protocol, but I think a lot of them went over to the Yahoo group.  As an herbal therapy, your friend could do a lot worse.  It’s not an easy protocol to stick to, though.

 

There’s enough evidence – meaning that there are people who have gotten well from continuing long-term antibiotics long after the Infectious Disease docs think all the bugs should be dead – to suggest that active infections DO persist and cause symptoms.  If we had easy, cheap access to electron microscopes labs, this could be physically verified.  But it’s virtually impossible to prove just looking at antibody tests.

 

I think that the last thing someone with Lyme needs to hear is that it’s all in their head.  That’s what they used to tell Fibro patients and people with Gulf War Syndrome. Lyme can cause a lot of mental/ emotional issues, but I don’t believe it creates false symptoms.  Labwork can verify a lot of them as real, physical dysfunctions.

 

There’s always the possibility that damage has been done.....  Ouch

 

Did you say your friend wasn’t interested in homeopathics?  Has your friend read any of Cindee Gardner’s articles here at Hpathy about Lyme?

 

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Astro, if you are still reading this....Back to your friend and the Lyme Disease thing for a minute…..  one of the biggest problems is that most lingering symptoms in Lyme patients (after treatment) are considered ‘subjective’ symptoms by physicians, as opposed to ‘objective’ symptoms or signs that doctor can see or verify.  This was the problem with Fibro people, too.  And this gives a completely distorted view of the patient and of the disease, as you will see below.

 

This is an excerpt from a February 13th article by Pamela Weintraub - a senior editor at Discover magazine and author of Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme Epidemic

 

Harold Smith, a Pennsylvania physician treating Lyme patients, added that symptoms might be misconstrued as subjective or vague if the doctor isn't doing his job. "If a doctor asks the patient whether he's tired and the patient responds, simply, ‘yes,' without any detail, there is nothing objective to report," Smith says. "But the problem is the physician, not the patient. The doctor's question was vague. If the practitioner asks for objective information, he can elicit it: Does sleep restore you? Is your sleep associated with drenching night sweats that soak your hair and pajamas? Does it take days to recover from raking a 20 foot patch of your yard? There are corresponding physical exam findings to go with such answers, including loss of muscle bulk, lowered core temperatures; slow heart rates; and abnormal hypothalamic pituitary hormone levels, among many others. These impairments can be objectively measured and reversed with treatment." In other words, says Smith, if physicians discount fatigue as subjective it's because they aren't seeking objective data, as they should.

 

Likewise, he said, doctors "can elicit objective findings in every organ infected with Borreliosis- --from skin to bone and everything in between." These objective findings are described in the medical literature in great detail, but the physician won't document them if he doesn't ask the right questions or know where to look, if he's inexperienced or untrained. "Some physicians dismiss important symptoms as subjective, "added Smith, "because they have a bias against those symptoms as vague in the first place and have decided there will be no objective findings before the patient even walks in the room.."

 

"One of the problems plaguing Lyme disease from early on was the attempt to codify what is and isn't objective," he said. Those first describing Lyme disease in the medical literature were trained in rheumatology and dermatology. The "objective signs" they recognized -frankly swollen joints, antibody production, and an erythema migrans rash-- derived from the specialty-specific training they had. Later, neurologists added their specialty-specific "signs" to the mix: cranial nerve palsy, gross meningitis with central nervous system antibody production, and measurably damaged nerves.

 

"By these standards, virtually 100 percent of those treated for Lyme disease no longer have objective signs of the illness, and so, in the eyes of certain medical specialties, are fine, but that ignores the fact that a huge number of patients still have symptoms of Lyme disease -cognitive problems, fatigue, joint pain, mood swings. Because those symptoms weren't objectified early in the history of the disease, by the specific specialties first involved, many doctors still think they don't count. As psychiatrists we are used to dealing with diseases that can't be objectified with the tools of rheumatology, even the tools of neurology, but they do count. If someone has schizophrenia, that counts. If someone has severe bipolar disorder, there's no blood test for that, but to psychiatrists, that counts. If someone has personality problems that get them fired from their job or destroy their marriage that counts. Because Lyme disease was originally researched by the rheumatologists and neurologists, there was a lack of appreciation for these other ways of defining illness and objectifying signs and symptoms of disease."

So, you see the problem, Astro?

 

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Sorry about your friend, Astro – what co-infections did he get tested for?  My guess is that he’s got another infection that may have to be handled first, like Babesia or Bartonella.  But that’s just a wild guess.  It’s a complex disease.


two viruses -- cytomeglovirus and forgot the other one.  supposedly successfully treated.

 

I have Buhner’s book – got it kind of by accident.  I’ve never even looked it over thoroughly, to be honest.  We had quite a few folks on the Lyme board doing the Buhner protocol, but I think a lot of them went over to the Yahoo group.  As an herbal therapy, your friend could do a lot worse.  It’s not an easy protocol to stick to, though.


i'll post updates.  over the last couple of years he has tried several different things since the antibiotics.  on a scale of 1 to 10 he has gone from a 2 to about a 4.5 since being treated by the infectious disease doc.

 

There’s enough evidence – meaning that there are people who have gotten well from continuing long-term antibiotics long after the Infectious Disease docs think all the bugs should be dead – to suggest that active infections DO persist and cause symptoms.  If we had easy, cheap access to electron microscopes labs, this could be physically verified.  But it’s virtually impossible to prove just looking at antibody tests.


this is where i say, "maybe, maybe not".  who really knows.  it'll be a huge step for these patients when science can definitively answer it.  long term antibiotic use can be disastrous for some.  i know a person whose knees and wrists were destroyed by cipro.  however, if this is what needs to be done to get better than it should be done.  but it seems as though no one knows for certain.


 

I think that the last thing someone with Lyme needs to hear is that it’s all in their head.  That’s what they used to tell Fibro patients and people with Gulf War Syndrome. Lyme can cause a lot of mental/ emotional issues, but I don’t believe it creates false symptoms.  Labwork can verify a lot of them as real, physical dysfunctions.


i know the horror of hearing "it's all in your head".  i know it first hand. it's what the allopaths told me.  this is what forced me to temporarily give up on those idiots and switch to alternative care.   homeopathy ended up solving my worst physical problems which i think may have been an unresolved virus, yet i still suffered horribly from brain problems.  at that point the smartest thing i ever did was to realize that what remained was truly in my head and get the proper care.  4 1/2 years of homeopathy failed miserably.  as much as i wish it would fix me permanently, i doubt it will.  --but i am continuing to try.  just saw a homeopath last saturday.  nux vomica is helping, but my problems are probably incurable.  yet i will fight on.  but each night i will take my 25 mg of seroquel and get 10 hours of beautiful restful sleep.Big smile


time will tell if my friend continues to beat his head against the wall, or if he unravels it.  i'm guessing it's a cointoss,  either he now suffers from mental problems caused by the spirochetes, or his immune system is temporarily/permanently damaged by the past infections, or he has undiscovered infections that still remain.



There’s always the possibility that damage has been done.....  Ouch

 

Did you say your friend wasn’t interested in homeopathics?  Has your friend read any of Cindee Gardner’s articles here at Hpathy about Lyme?


i think he needs to continue to see a homeopath in addition to the other things he's doing.  i remember once that he responded well to mercurious.  mercurious is a remedy for syphillis which is also a spirochete.  syphillis if untreated leads to insanity.  i would like to see what would happen if he were to start on a Ledum protocol,  12C and work his way up.  Or maybe try mercurious again, but he no longer has the swollen glands and other symptoms that indicate mercurious.


yes, he's read quite a bit of the ledum protocol, even tried it briefly, starting at 30C.


have you had any luck with homeopathy?  any remedies that you can remember?  would you consider trying ledum again?

 

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