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    Posted: 23 Feb. 07 at 08:49
Very little clinical information is available on this medicine , some of the MM donot even cover this remedy . Based on Nash's leaders it's use by Dr Baruch I had success in treating ash / clay coloured light stools may be due to lack of bile .
How about it's use in hypertension ? Can some one help me with a more detailed drug picture of this remedy  ?

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Thanks Mr Murthy , links of great help .

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Aurum muriaticum natronatum
Double chloride of Gold and Sodium. Chloro-aurate of Soda.
The essential features
Aurum muriaticum natronatum is another member of the Aurum family that primarily affects the sexual-hormonal balance in women. Its sphere of action is not entirely known, but we do have some indications from which we can draw certain conclusions.
This remedy initially excites the organism causing congestion and/or irritation of the uterus and ovaries, ulceration of the uterus, endometritis, inflammation of the ovaries, profuse and premature menses, habitual abortion, etc. As may easily be understood, it also increases the sexual passions in women, occasionally resulting in nymphomania. You may for instance have a case of a woman who has very much enjoyed an illicit love affair with a married man; she has thoroughly enjoyed the erotic contact, but at a certain point she finds that she has to give up the relationship, for one reason or another, and that she has to repress her sexual desire. The production of the hormones that were flowing exuberantly before is then repressed, to the point where they are almost petrified; similarly, we then see at this stage a petrification of the uterus. This organ becomes hardened, full of fibroids and tumors, while at the same time the desire diminishes and becomes deficient; eventually very little of the previous fire remains.
Fibroids are generally formed in this manner in an Aur-m-n. case. If the uterus, full of small or big fibroids, is so congested that it can no longer expand to become a fit organ for the development of a foetus, and if this is the result of the repression or arrested development of the female hormones, whether through the process described above or through any other, you may be faced with an Aurum muriaticum natronatum case. In a similar case, a gynaecologist had advised the adoption of a child as the patient had been married for 15 years without conception. The uterus was so full of fibroids that it could not expand and it was probable that an abortion took place now and then indicated only by a delay in the menses.
In my experience these people are sensitive, refined and are subject ot many fears, so that you will often confuse them with Phosphorus. There is especially an inner fear that something bad will happen at any moment, giving you the feeling that they are fragile, and need protection. They will look unprotected and helpless, they will go into a panicky state, but inwardly they are quite strong and not yielding. You will be very sympathetic towards them, though they will not be attached or sympathetic towards you, as a real Phosphorus can be.
Because Phosphorus also has the tendency to produce fibroids, it is almost certain that these patients will receive Phosphorus as a first prescription. The difference is that these patients do not have the openness of Phosphorus, neither the emotional warmth. They are refined, sensitive, perceptive, even magnetic but they do not exhibit the openness of Phosphorus nor its effortless communication. On the contrary they are reserved, timid and rather closed on first contact. With this oversensitive nature, you will also perceive an element of sadness in their background.
It is unlikely that you will see a case of Aur-m-n. in the excitement stage, with the following exceptions: inflammation of the uterus, endometriosis, inflammation of the ovaries or salpinx, puerperal mania with sexual excitement and suicidal impulses.
You will usually see these cases after the stage of excitement has passed to the depression stage, where the uterus starts being sclerosed, hardened and swollen. In this stage there is amenorrhoea, scanty and delaying menses, deficient sexual desire, sterility from the hardened uterus or from ovarian torpor, ovarian dropsy etc.
This remedy apparently has a most pronounced effect on the female organs, and most of its clinical application has been limited to this area. It has more power over uterine tumours than almost any other remedy, not only among the Aurums, but in the whole Materia Medica, especially when the history of the patient is similar to the one I described. This remedy has a pronounced effect on the following: Enormous induration of an ovary. A uterus full of fibroids. Ossified uterus. Induration of one part, softening of another part of the uterus. Scirrhus or carcinoma of breast or uterus. Corrosive leucorrhoea; pustules on genitals. Chancres; ulcers; warts. Bubo.
The mental state of Aurum-m-n. can be one of claustrophobia and anxiety for the future. If these women are hurt they will be inclined to go into deep depression, especially if they are hurt in connection with a love affair. A woman, while having an affair, puts on some extra weight and the man remarks about it. The effect upon her is so great that she loses her appetite, she goes into depression, she wants to disappear from the face of the earth. The depression is such that she does not want to come out of it, she just cannot care whether she recovers or not. She can go into a secluded mood. After such periods are repeated several times you realise that this is a state of anorexia nervosa with suicidal depression, pain in the stomach, nausea, loss of appetite and constipation, or severe constipation, like hydrastis.
Generalities
Boring pains are very marked in the pathogenesis of this salt; over left eye, skull, chest, tibiae, and bones generally. Symptoms worse cold wet weather; from October to spring (headache). In its toxic doses it causes "violent gastro-enteritis," accompanied by cramps, convulsive trembling, insomnia, priapism and insensibility.
The constipation is like that of Hydrastis, being accompanied with catarrh. Hale has used it with success in nervous dyspepsia with a tendency to diarrhoea after eating; in gastric and duodenal catarrh, with or without jaundice. Periosteal swelling on lower jaw. Swelling of testicle. High blood pressure due to disturbed function of nervous mechanism. Arterio-sclerosis. Increase of secretions from stomach, intestines and kidneys. Boring in those parts when at rest. Weakness; in morning on rising. Psoriasis syphilitica. Old cases of rheumatism or gouty pains.
All symptoms are worse by rest. Aggravation from bending head to right, when lying down, when at rest. Aggravation on slight motion. Aggravation when sitting or walking. Cold, wet weather causes inconvenience, better in dry, warm weather.
Head
From October until spring: violent headache. Violent pains on whole left side of head, mostly over eye. Every morning pressure over eyes, pains in forehead, dulness in head, lasting until afternoon; better in evening; nasal discharge bloody, fetid, ichorous. Hair falls out. Continual humming in head, with beating of carotids, almost causing delirium. When sitting the headache is worse.
Eyes
Chronic ophthalmia; malignant, cancerous; at same time, nose scurfy. Scrofulous ophthalmia. Yellow albuginea. Swelling above left eye.
Nose
Destruction of nasal bones. Nasal discharge bloody, ichorous, fetid. Ulcers in nose. Nose swollen, hard, shining (scrofula); if he takes cold, erysipelas sets in.
Scurfy, oozing tetter on nose. Deep spreading syphilitic ulcer of skin. A case of rhinoscleroma( a granulomatous disease involving the nose and the nasopharynx. The growth forms hard patches or nodules which tend to increase in size and be painful on pressure.)
Face
Ulcers of upper jaw. Periosteal indurations. Ulcer in right corner of mouth. Complexion pale. Opening mouth difficult.
Mouth
Teeth look dirty, get loose and gums recede; caries of jaw. Tongue furred; bitter taste.
Tongue white. Warts on tongue. Fetid odor from mouth. Pain behind upper incisors, is aggravated on contact with warm food. Dulness of teeth ceases while eating.
Throat
Small blisters on fauces with swelling and inflammation of fauces. Two small ulcers on right tonsil.
Stomach
No appetite. Pressure in right hypochondrium. Aggravation on contact with salted food.
Abdomen
Dropsy without fever but threatening suffocation.
Rectum
Feces like whitish clay. Stools harder.
Urinary organs
Diuresis. Suppression of urine. Urine dark. Urine gets turbid; more profuse than usual. Morbus Brightii.
Genitalia - male
Chancre, on internal surface of prepuce. Bubo in fold of groin. Ulcers on foreskin; warts around them; ulcers on glans eating deeply.
Genitalia - female
Bearing down in uterine region with backache between the scapulae better lying on back and especially lying on stomach, dragging downward at times even from the chest. Spells of bearing down pains every 3 months as if the menses would come on, worse from heat. Usually accompanied by dyspepsia and constipation. Enormous distension of an ovary. Induration of one part and softening of another part of uterus. Ulcers with induration of uterus. Neoplasmata in abdomen. Ovarian enlargement; even dropsy. Leucorrhea corroding parts. Pustules on genitals. Abortion from uterine indurations. Given to syphilitic mothers to prevent disease in offspring. Scirrhus of uterus. Carcinoma mammae et uteri.
The following cases were cured by internal use of the remedy, generally 3d trit., it usually caused increase of appetite:
Indurated cervix. Palpitation of young girls. Coldness in abdomen. Chronic metritis and prolapsus. Uterus fills up whole pelvis. Ulceration of neck of womb and vagina. Leucorrhoea, with spasmodic contraction of vagina. Ovaries indurated. Ovarian dropsy. Sub-involution. Obstinate leucorrhoea, with spasmodic contractions of muscles of vagina. Chronic metritis and prolapsus. Induration of vaginal portion of uterus. Enlargement of uterus for fourteen years, twice its natural size, entirely cured, uterus replaced itself. Induration of ovaries, reaching as far as umbilicus. Cases of ovarian dropsy. Ulceration of neck of womb and vagina, resulting from inflammations and indurations. Cases of subinvolution, anteversion and prolapsus, with greenish-yellow discharge.
Chest
Beating of carotid and temporal arteries visible to eye; violence of this beating became extremely annoying, so violent nothing could calm it; the disquiet caused by it put the sufferer into constant terror, almost to delirium.
Back
Pustular eruption on back.
Extremities
Old cases of rheumatism or gouty pains. Boring in right knee; pressure in right knee; stitching in left knee; boring in left tibia; boring in both sides of the Achilles tendon. A drawing in right foot; in evening, drawing in inner edge of right foot, etc.; pressure on right foot; drawing in right toes; cutting in right toe-tips; stitching in toe-tips. Pressure in left shoulder; pressure in bend of elbow; stretching sensation in right fingers; drawing in roots of right fingers; pain in knee; stitches in left knee; drawing in right toes. Amelioration of pains and pressure feelings on motion. Syphilitic ataxia.
Fever
Unusual heat and malaise. Violent fever, forcing him to keep his bed, urine copious.
Sweats only on right side, left (affected) side of head remains dry. Excessive perspiration. Suppression of perspiration.
Skin
Intolerable itching all over body; soon followed by an eruption of tubercles (little lumps), several of which become covered with dark-looking scabs.
Clinical
Ascites. Carcinoma. Haemorrhoids. Hair falling out. Headache. Hectic fever.
Jaundice. Phthisis. Rhinoscleroma. Sycosis. Syphilis. Affections of the tongue.
Tumors. Indurations or scirrhus of the uterus. Warts.
Hysterical spasms, with unconsciousness for several hours, beginning with coldness starting from abdomen, sometimes with pulsation in occiput, with inflamed uterus filling the whole pelvis, interfering with the action of the bowels and bladder, entirely cured.
Relations
Similar to : Aurum and Aur-mur. (chemically); Arg-nitr., Arsen., Badiag., Bryon. (ascites); Cist. can., Conium (indurations); Graphit., Hepar, Iodium, Kali bichr., Kali hydr. (mercurio syphilis); Lycop. (ascites); Mercur-vivus et sulphur (ascites); Merc-jod. (caries, syphilis, glandular enlargements, etc.); Nitr-ac., Phosphor., Phosph-ac., Sulphur, Thuya (warts).
Incompatible: coffee and alcohol.
Suited to : Carbo-nitrogenoid and mercurio-syphilitic constitutions.
Causation
Causation: Vexation (jaundice) (Clarke)
Dosage
From 12c to the highest.
Cases
More than fourteen years ago, a young married woman consulted me for prolapsus uteri. She had been under the care of a Homoeopath of wide experience but claimed that he had not benefited her. She improved somewhat under the action of Sepia, but soon became discouraged and stopped treatment.
On December 3rd, 1915, this same lady, now 42 years of age, appeared at my office and asked me to take up her case. Shortly after leaving me she had fallen into the hands of a surgeon, who operated - performing ventral fixation and appendectomy and removing some ovarian cysts. She made a good recovery but in a few weeks was worse off than ever. The dragging in the pelvic region gradually increased and the uterus finally could be felt at the vaginal exit. All sorts of reflex symptoms made her life thoroughly miserable. I shall give the record in detail as it contains many new symptoms.
-Goitre the size of a hickory nut removed two years ago - relieving an anxious feeling she had for some time - a feeling as though something would happen, and panicky feeling in a crowd or at a theatre.
-Bearing down in uterine region with backache between the scapulae >> lying on back and especially lying on stomach, dragging downward at times even from the chest.
-No menses for 5 years; had hot flushes for a while; they have now disappeared.
-Spells of bearing down pains every 3 months as if the menses would come on, >> heat. Usually accompanied by dyspepsia and constipation.
-Pains in the arms, sharp shooting, and heavy throbbing in the wrists, tingling and numbness in fingers; heart feels heavy as a stone, with fluttering; pain in right ovary extending to a point under scapula, same side. All these symptoms are worse if she goes without the tampons that support the uterus, or gets over tired.
-Burning in the pit of stomach; craves sweets, salt, meat, sour things.
-Inveterate constipation with bloating and sore spots in abdomen; has to take cathartics; mucus covered stools.
-Swelling of ankles; soreness of feet if on them much
-Morbid, inclined to be melancholy; indifferent as to her recovery. >> by company; cloudy weather.
-Generally worse from exertion; while on feet, in hot weather; at dusk (great weariness). Better in cool weather; after sleep.
Aurum muriaticum natronatum, 7 doses, to be taken one every evening.
-December 15. Much stronger; less bearing down, pain in arms etc., mentally better.
-Sal. lac. January 5th, 1916. More like herself; bowels some better; heart much better.
-S. L. January 19. Strength still improving; some dragging in pelvis, and pain over the crest of the ileum, extending down into hypogastrium.
-S. L. January 29. All symptoms worse.
-Aur. mur. natr. 30
-February 23. Aur. mur. natr. 1m.
- March 16. No backache; bowels move normally three times a day; soreness in region of uterus; a slight rash has appeared here and there.
-April 3rd Aur. mur. natr. vm.
-April 17 improving; notices a creamy leucorrhoea.
-S. L. May 6, 19, July 10, reports steady improvement.
-July 25 Headaches, old pains in arms, pain left ovary
-Aur. mur. natr. 1m.
-September 25 Aur. mur. natr. 10m (C.)
-October 20 Aur. mur. natr. 10m.
-December 4 Leucorrhea less profuse; no tampons since July.
-1917, January 31, Aur. mur. natr. 10m
-April 9, improving in a general way, but has to resume use of tampons.
-S. L. July 9, Aur. mur. natr. 50m.
-October 4, Aur. mur. natr. 50m
On April 15th, of this year (1919) Mrs. B. reports that she has been wonderfully well. Shortly after her last visit she dispenses with all uterine support. She has been on her feet a great deal, having gone back to her old vocation as school teacher, and has suffered not the slightest inconvenience.
Few, if any of the symptoms in this case can be found in the provings of this remedy, the double chloride of Gold and Sodium. Some of them however, belong to the parent drugs.
Proceedings of the Fortieth Annual Session of the International Hahnemannian Association, pp. 186-188.
In one other case of a large uterine fibroid (extending to the level of the umbilicus), the patient improved very much in general health on silica in various potencies, but the uterus slowly got larger, until the last time I saw her, when after having taken Aur. Mur. Nat. 12 + daily for some weeks, the uterus was distinctly less in size. She received at this last visit aur. mur. nat. 30 + for three months (as she was going to live in the North), after which time I shall hope that the tumour will be still further diminished.
This patient had one or two aurum symptoms, including intense depression and aversion to company, but I must confess that this was largely a pathological prescription.
British Homoeopathic Journal, Vol. 16, No. 1, pp. 10-11
Frau W. K., the wife of a farmer, forty-two years old; large, blonde, more corpulent than lean; has had eight children, the last two years ago, and menstruates regularly yet. She came to me June 18, 1888, and said she had suffered for two years from vomiting, making its appearance every day four to five times. For several years she has suffered from a pain in the region of the spleen, as well as in that of the stomach, which has been so bad that she could do but little about the house, the much more so as the vomiting was awakened and increased by every exertion. Examination revealed, in scrobiculo cordis, (fossa epigastrica), a dulness and tension, passing over into the liver region. The uterus was strongly retroverted; the fundus uteri enlarged and resting heavily upon the examining finger. Two indications, the dulness in the scrobiculo cordis, which may have been due to a swelling of the left lobe of the liver, and the womb trouble, called for Aurum, and I prescribed it as Aur. natr. muriat. 3x trituration, three times daily. On the 3d of July the patient reported the pain in the stomach and the vomiting were better, yet the old pain in the splenic region troubled her very much. Aurum was continued and alternated with Ceanoth. Americ. 3,2 grammes in 150 grammes of water, one teaspoonful three times daily. August 1st, the dulness and tension in the scrobiculo cordis had disappeared, the vomiting had not returned, the pain in the splenic region gone, the fundus uteri less swollen., She did her own house-work now, suffered no longer from vomiting, and was satisfied with her condition. She was supplied with enough Ceanoth. americ. 3, for about fourteen days, and told to report if she had any return of the trouble. I have since heard of her, through other patients, that she is well- certainly a happy result in such a condition as hers was. - Dr. Amberg, in Allg. Hom. Zeitung, June 6, 1880.
The Homoeopathic Recorder, Vol. 4, No. 5, p. 214.

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Hello Ricky , Thanks for the excellent information with case descriptions .
It's use in hypertension - is it emprical / clinically proven .
Can you educate a little more on this .

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Kamal - I have no idea. You must prescribe constitutionally not for one symptom.
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Originally posted by Ricky

Kamal - I have no idea. You must prescribe constitutionally not for one symptom.

   I have used Aurum Met in 30c and 200c but Aur mur nat always in lower potencies 6X and not above 6C . I have no idea if this was a mistake . I fully agree with you that the hypertension needs to be treated constitutionally .

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                                            THE NEW SALTS OF AURUM

                                                            1. Aurum Muriaticum
                                                          2. Aurum Muriacticum Natronatum
                                                       September 17, 2005 by George Loukas
                                                                       Materia Medica
                                                        Hpathy Ezine, September, 2005
                              http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-materia-medica/the-new-salts-of-aurum/3/



               Excerpt from The American Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia
     http://www.aurummuriaticum.com/american-homoeopathic-pharmacopoeia-joseph-t-oconnor

                                                           by Joseph T. O'Connor


                                       AURUM MURIATICUM.

    Synonyms, Auri Chloridum. Muriate of Gold. Tri-chloride of Gold.

    Present Name, Auric Chloride.

    Common Name, Chloride of Gold.

    Formula, Au C13.

    Preparation.—By digesting one part of pure gold in four parts of nitro-muriatic acid at a moderate heat, placing the solution in a flat porcelain vessel and heating on a glycerine bath at 115° C. (239° F.) until the vapor of hydrochloric acid ceases to come off. The mass is then dissolved in half its weight of distilled water and evaporated over concentrated sulphuric acid till it crystallizes.

    Properties.—Chloride of gold is in yellow four-sided prisms or a crystalline yellow powder. It is very hygroscopic, and is easilv soluble in water, alcohol and ether; its solutions are gradually reduced in the light. Heated above 150° C. (302° F.) it is decomposed with the evolution of chlorine and is reduced to the aurous state. Its taste is somewhat inky with a metallic after-taste.

                                                       The remedy was introduced into our Materia Medica by Hahnemann.

    Preparation for Homoeopathic Use.—The pure chloride of gold is dissolved in nine parts by weight of distilled water.

    Amount of drug power, -^.

    Dilutions must be prepared as directed under Class V—«.

    Triturations of the pure chloride of gold are prepared as directed under Class VII.



                         AURUM MURIATICUM NATRONATUM.

    Synonyms, Auri et Sodii Chloridum. Auro-Natrium Chloratum. Sodium Chloro-Aurate.

    Present Name, Auri-sodic Chloride.

    Common Name, Chloride of Gold and Sodium.

    Formula, Na Cl, Au C13, '2Ha O.

    Preparation of Chloride of Gold and Sodium.—This is prepared by mixing a solution of four parts of auric chloride in eight of water with one of four parts of sodium chloride in four of water and evaporating.

    Properties.—The salt cryttallizes in long four-sided prisms which are permanent in the air; they are of a golden-yellow color, dissolve readily and completely in water, but in alcohol only the gold chloride goes into solution. . It was first proven by Lembke, in Germany.

    Preparation for Homoeopathic Use.—The pure chloride of gold and sodium is prepared by trituration, as directed under Class VII.


More Homeopathic Reference Materials about Aurum Muriaticum
Characteristics of the homeopathic materia medica by Melford Eugene Douglass
Pharmacopeia of the American Institute of Homoeopathy by American Institute of Homeopathy. Committee on Pharmacopoeia
Pharmacopeia of the American Institute of Homoeopathy by American Institute of Homeopathy. Committee on Pharmacopoeia
The American homoeopathic pharmacopoeia by Joseph T. O'Connor
The American homoeopathic pharmacopoeia by Joseph T. O'Connor
The Guiding symptoms of our materia medica by Constantine Hering
The Guiding symptoms of our materia medica by Constantine Hering


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is aurum mur natronatum the same as
 
aurum   + natrum muriaticum??????
 
and if yes then would the mental profile  of  aurum mur nat be the same asssss    the mentals of
 
aurum
 
and
 
natrum muriaticum/?????
 
also i have found onilne that these are the mentals of aurum-mur nat        are they accurate?
ive posted below
 
Foreword
7-8
Acknowledgements
9-16
Introduction
17-20
Ch.1: Gold - The Element
21-28
1.1 Some Analogies Between the Element Gold and People Needing These Gold Salts
23-24
1.2 Stages in the Development of the Emotional Pathology
25-28
The Destructive Stage: pessimism, depression, life has no meaning; Delusion: everything will fail
25
The Self-Destructive Stage, Suicidial; Delusion: unfit for the world
25
Different Degrees of Emotional Pathology
26
The Wounded Child
27
Ch.2: Aurum Muriaticum Natronatum - A Neglected Polychrest, Main Theme: "I must not feel forsaken"
29-148
2.1 Outline
31-39
Cover up emotional weakness
31
Better from excitment - seeking action
32
Different ways of compensation; by overcoming - the macho-like type
32
Avoiding - the cautious type
33
Delusion he has neglected his duty, pride and other characteristics from Aurum Metallicum
34
Fear of failure: a result of rejection and lack of self worth
35
Ways of avoiding failure
35
Stuck in past griefs, control of emotions, easily offended, brooding and other characteristics from Natrum Muriaticum
36
Hysterical but reserved, often with a desire to be alone
37
Forsaken feeling and fear of rejection
37-38
Summary
39
2.2 Causation for the Aurum Muriaticum Natronatum State: Rejection, and/or Neglect, Coupled with Suppression of Emotions, or Inheritance
40-41
2.3 Other Typical Traits of Aurum Muriaticum Natronatum
42-52
Anger
42
Co-dependence as a result of lack of self-worth
42
Deep emotional pathology, self-reproach, vulnerability and guilt
43
Social anxiety
44
Sensitive but controlled
45
Suppressed anger, mortification, grief and other causations for the development of their pathology
45
Nuruting the emptiness inside
45
The mother, support and care
46-47
PMS and the uterus
48
Fears
48
Weeping and sighing
49
Another aspect: fastidious, excited, restless and unable to relax
49
Using relationships ans sex to fulfil their need for love and affection
49-50
Grief and disappointed love
51
Parenting: lack of boundaries or too controlled
51
Dreams of being forsaken and of being pursued
52
2.4 Conflicting Traits in Aurum Muriaticum Natronatum
53-54
The strong need to be like, accepted, to feel welcome, to get attention, support and recognition for their work - the lack of ability to handle criticism and disappointments
53
The need for space - the need for closeness
53
Yielding - dictatorial. Tough and daring - vulnerable and dependent
53
Closed - open
54
2.5 Prone to Deep Pathology
55
2.6 Summary: Forsaken Feeling and Self-Protection
56-58
When you are forsaken / rejected you are / feel worthless
57-58
2.7 Aurum Muriaticum Natronatum in Children
59-60
The macho-like type: with a tough and cool image, action-seeking, contrary, jealous, teasing and mischievous, in order to protect a lack of self-confidence and vulnerability, and to get ....
59
The cautious type: quiet, reserved, insecure, yielding, pleasing and dependent, in order to protect a lack of self-confidence and vulnerability, and to get attention and affection
60
2.7.1 Typical Traits Found In Both Types of Children
61-71
Their development and their physical pathology
61
Performance: strong demands on themselves and craving praise
61
Delusion he cannot succeed and that everything will fail
62
Controlling and keeping all emotions inside, but craving emotional attention and support
62
Desire for company and attention, clingy, complaining and greedy
63
Sibling rivalry
63
Sensitive to sad and frightening impressions, difficulty apolgizing and dislike of quarrels
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Deeper emotional pathology, sensitivity to criticism and reprimands. Sad, melancholic and depressed
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Rejection and feeling forsaken - the central issue
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Anger
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Reserved and laughing at serious matters
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Pessimistic, negative, "nothing is fun" attitude
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Fears
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Repeated thoughs, repeated actions
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Due to need for care and emotional supports, dependent on the mother or rejecting her
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb. 11 at 07:42
Confusedgirl,

It is not helping to solve the confusion to have two parallels threads on Aurum mur nat ( here and in Feelings after remedy).... you should post about it only here..

Also you should be very aware that confusion is not only for those beginning to read on homeopathy.... you are coming in a field of knowledge where are many discussions, even quarrels  between experienced homeopaths. One exemple ( as seen in the other thread) is about the use or not of clinical symptoms as a reference to prescribe (even in proved remedies), and hottest discussion: the use of not still proved remedy based on clinical symptoms... there is many more of these hot discussions between us...

It is partly why , while trying to understand and asking for clarification you are getting often opposite answers to your questions... adding to your confusion.

Dr Firuzi was right in suggesting you to read what is available here at Hpathy, not only in the forum, but in the articles from the journal, the interviews, etc... Then you will find some clear answers to your questions and also will be aware that confusion is not only your's, but unfortunately between us as well...

The best answer to your questions on Aur mur nat will come.... from you. If the remedy was prescribed for you not for local symptomatology but on a global level, and if it is a correct remedy for you, you will observe very clear changes in your own state... then you will know the remedy... and willld be able to teach us on it... :-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb. 11 at 13:48
oh ok.....ill try to just do my own research i know i ask around alotttttt
 
.....but it will the remedy do any harm if its not rightfor me?........i do realize if its right for me ill feel a good difference
 
but what if its not...........then will it do harm ?  in 6c dose?
 
thanks again
 
i more ask around alot because i want to make sure im on the right path with my condition and also not doing more harm
i do trust my homeopath but still i just like making sure
 
 
also ive read alot that people say after one or 2 doses   a person should wait and see and will realize if its a right remedy or not for them
 
but a while back i was on natrum  and  i was on it for about 8 months and it took a good 3 monhts before i felt anything better
 
i did not feel worse than before or any new symptoms during hte first 3 months but nothng was really improving
 
then slowly slowly onwards from the 3rd months i started improving
 
what does this mean?
 
 
also it was succussed 
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I just can't understand WHY the prescriber didn't say to you, "I'm prescribing this remedy, Aurum nat-mur, because....."  What did she do?  Say, "Here, take this, come back in a month." I would not appreciate that at all!  You can see what the results of this kind of prescribing are: patient goes fishing for answers on discussion board!  Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb. 11 at 15:54
well she said its mainly for my mental profile which i told her alllll the symptoms
 
 
but then when i came online to check about it.............i realized theres not much info about it here
 
there is lots about aurum mur   and aurum metallicum   but aurum-mur-nat not so much except for that list that i posted above which i found on a site
 
thats why im not sure
 
mainly for things like deep depression/low confidence/anger/betrayal/hurt/jealousy/nervous/
 
lots more but too detailed to write it all out here i guess
 
 
in the past when i was on natrum she did tell me and when i came and checked it online it was here....................the only question about that remedy that i had were about my reactions to it after wards not knowing whats good or bad
 
but this time round its hard to even find a fulll and reliable mental profile of aurum-mur -nat
 
i found one in the book by terje wulfsburg but not sure if thats accurate either
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb. 11 at 17:32
Confusedgirl, 

To my knowledge ( I did some research on the remedy for a case last year) there is not really more to find on internet or elsewhere on Aurum mur nat.
In Homoeopathic Links, Autumn 2001 was similar informations and 3 cases from Terje Wulfsberg and an article from George Loukas, also very similar to what is mentionned from him here in this thread. 

There is very possibly more patients who received this remedy since the book by T Wulfsberg and the work by G Loukas than before. But I am not aware that these cases are published somewhere.
 There is no recent proving from it at my knowledge. But for an homeopath accepting to prescribe on the basis of the informations from  Loukas and Wulfsberg, the mental picture of the remedy is clear enough to work with. And if your homeopath prescribed on it you should recognize yourself at least enough to trust her prescription.

Snoopy is right to say that you should ask to your homeopath and that she should explain why she prescribed it to you: for a local pathology or the globality of your case. But if it is for the globality , you could be disappointed  by the answer because she would explain the prescription by simply repeating the very core of what you said to her in the consultation...
  and if the prescription was for a local pathology only ,(we don't know at all how she works) you should also recognise  clearly your  physical pathology in the information already available.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb. 11 at 18:05

hmm okok thanks

 
yes she always gives remedies on globality.....all symptoms mental and physical.........mostly mental
 
 
but say if it was wrong would it do any harm?   ive read about suppression how would i make sure  im not being suppressed??????????
 
im mostly just want to make sure im not harming myself or beign  suppressed if its the wrong remedy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb. 11 at 18:58

Management of a case after a first prescription is often more difficult than to prescribe initially.
And much more difficult, nearly impossible  is for us to evaluate from distance if the management is right or not. We don't know your case, the frequency of repetition, your reaction to the remedy, etc... etc All that we could say would be speculation.

you have to trust your homeopath or to find a new one.

From a good remedy you should obtain firstly a more peaceful mind even before the local pathology changes, such anxiety to obtain proofs of a right prescription and to test your homeopath could be an indication that the remedy is not reaching deeply in you.
You should inform your homeopath about your doubts and confusion and she should integrate it in her analysis... apparently Aur mur nat failed to attenuate your stress and your need to validate the prescription. 
A patient experimenting a good remedy usually "feels" that the remedy is right for him/her, even if not understanding how it works.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb. 11 at 19:07
oh......ok what would it mean if on the first couple doses of the remedy i felt not good mentally but  now i feel good calm solid even tho my insomnia is not fixed?.
 
and all the questions i guess its just personality maybe? i just need to make sure of things im like that with most things.......even natrum mur where i felt much better mentally but i thought it was supposed to work miracles and id be fixed therefore i started asking all the questions
 
ive read how much homeopathy can cure so i thought i shoudl feel liek that too so i ask questions, but  its not that i dont feel better than my original state......if that makes any sense
 
 
also just a random question about aurum mur nat----i had read somewhere ,  is it used in polycystic ovarian syndrom??
 
 
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If you are better than your original state, the strategy is now to wait and see if the remedy can help you further for all your problem... time will say. Sometimes a remedy is enough similar to works partially for some days or weeks but will stop to act and should be changed for a more similar to the case. It is met frequently in practice and a good management in the follow-up  is the key to avoid that a not enough similar rx can be harmful ( or suppressive) to the patient. 

Aurum mur nat has a long clinical story in uterine problems like fibroids and also ovarian indurations, possibly also in polycystic ovarian syndrom, but it it doesn't means that it will cured all such cases.  And it happens also that a remedy not known for a specific pathology can cured it if the totality agree. We don't prescribe only on the name of the pathology. If we do so there is a high risk of failure and worse, of suppression. It is why we talks about the importance of a global approach to a case .


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