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    Posted: 14 Oct. 06 at 03:12
My father aged 62 has developed a blockage in an artery in his heart. He had a heart bypass surgey done 14 years ago, his heart has been working fine since then. Now this block is diagnosed.

Can homeopathy help clear arterial blocks in heart?
Would appreciate some response.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct. 06 at 06:01

Hello gaganjaggi,

For the early stages of this problem(blocked artery)  homeopathy can be considered most definitely.

For your father`s advanced situation, I`d advise you to see a very experienced classical homeopath or homeopathic doctor who also does auscultation (use of stethoscope) etc.  He/She will take a full case history and , if possible, prescribe the indicated remedy (sometimes a mother tincture) according to the presenting symptoms/modalities etc.

Homeopathy can be used along with allopathic treatment.

Wishing your father all the best....Wim.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct. 06 at 02:09

I have read quite a bit about Crataegus MT being a heart tonic and being able to remove calciferous deposits from arteries. I don't have any first hand experience. Maybe someone can share theirs.

The dosage is usually 10 drops in some water, taken daily. Favorable results can be seen in 3-6 months.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct. 06 at 03:08

Hi Fitness,

I`m sorry to say this.....but I think it`s not appropriate and wise for a layman to make such kind of remedy suggestion for this serious condition after a homeopath advised the patient to see a classical homeopath for full casetaking, incl. auscultation ! Moreover, Crataegus is still only supposed (!) being able to remove such deposits !  Also the doses, administration (number of drops, how many times a day, etc.) of such a MT may differ considerably each time !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct. 06 at 20:12

William,

Fitness did not suggest the remedy. He only gave the reference. In homeopathic literature lot of cases are written. People are benefited by this remedy. No doubt, the patient should consult a good physician for complete case analysis. The condition is serious and needs prompt attention.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct. 06 at 20:30

My herbal instructor used to call Hawthorn Berry tincture a "cardiac food".  But, maybe that has nothing to do with blocked arteries.  Does anyone know?

 

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Hi Snoopy,

Crataegus oxyacantha is made from Hawthorn Berry/Berries ! So we`re talking about the same MT.

The tincture/remedy is prepared from the berries when they are ripe. Crataegus (Hawthorn) acts on the heart muscles as a tonic and improves its action. According to Boericke and others it is supposed to remove calciferous deposits from arteries.

Crataegus is also used for animals for the treatment of heart conditions under professional guidance. It`s esp. indicated for animals people with problems of both the heart and circulation with iregularity of the cardiac action, causing dropsy (edema), an abnormal accumulation of clear or yellowish fluid in tissues or a body cavity. The skin surface may become tense and hard and will indent when pressed.

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Hello sajjadakram,

I understand what you mean, but i.m.o. it would always be better/wiser to start a new thread on such a topic avoiding the slightest confusion for any patient in such a serious condition ! A layman can`t always exactly tell what an actual remedy suggestion is or not ! Sometimes a professional advises constitutional treatment etc. and all of a sudden all kinds of confusing posts are written under his/her post, even by laymen, which is often very confusing for a patient and may make him/her think : My goodness ! What am I to do with all these remarks , suggestions etc. and may even start to doubt the advice given by an exprienced professional. Do you see what I mean ? Also have a look at other forums ! It`s terrible sometimes !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct. 06 at 04:15

Wim, thanks for the advise.

Its still better to offer some reading reference to anyone than just stating to contact a homeopath :)

My post is crystal clear about what it implies and states.

You are well aware that no case, be it acute, chronic, serious or non-serious can be prescribed for homeopathically without full case taking by a homeopath. So we might as well close this bb and just post a simple message stating "please contact a homeopath for any health problems"

Btw, you also reproduced what I had written from Boericke ;)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct. 06 at 04:41

Hi Everyone

 

Appreciate your interest and suggestions. Before I posted this thread, my father had been to his homeopath who had already prescribed Crataegus oxyacantha and Cactus for a later possibility. But this being such a serious and delicate issue, he did not take any medicine till now. The Cardio has put him on a 1 month dose of Remipril, which quickly enlarges the arteries so that blood can flow more easily. He has told not to discontinue this medicine. But we wanted to consider homeopathic parallels. He still has not taken Crataegus, we wanted to get some more opinion on this before we take the remedy. I am a little scared of the initial aggravations any remedy may produce.

 

My father met another person last week, who was diagnosed with a block in his heart. FOr one month, he consumed bottle-guard juice religiously and when he finally got the angiography done, there was no block. I don't know how far this would help, but now my father is taking this juice everyday.

 

I understand this forum is a way of discussing ideas and not prescribing. Just on a very informal note, I was wondering if Crataegus taken in a low potency(30X) can possibly do furthur harm. The materia medica does not indicate many other symptoms, it looks like a predominantly a heart remedy. If at all he does take a dose, what are the symptoms to look out for to make sure that he is not proving the remedy .. or whether the remedy is suiting him.

He currently does not have any palpitations, or chest pain. This block was detected in a routine test.

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Gagan



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct. 06 at 05:01

Yes ....I know Fitness....but for real serious cases like this one there`s really only one option, which is advising the patient to see a professional a.s.a.p. , esp. so when auscultation etc . is required ! It`s even obvious for laymen that these cases can`t be dealt with properly online ! Sometimes this is forgotten and we can read about the lawsuits in the papers ! There was one in our papers (again !) the other day ! Always better be safe than sorry ! Last year I performed auscultation on a man and after that send him immediately to a heart specialist and he had an emergency heart operation in no time, which saved his life. No further irrelevant discussions or reading up on vague references are required or wished for, etc, when a case is clear and very serious !...We simply should always act in the best interest of the patient. And please don`t compare simple acute treatments with these serious cases merely for the sake of winning a discussion !

Moreover, it`s always possible to discuss such topics in a separate thread !

Wim

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct. 06 at 05:33

Hello gagganjaggi,

Provided your father is willing to take homeopathic remedies he should really be seen by an experienced classical homeopath or homeopathic doctor to find his constitutional remedy !

Many useful homeopathic (or phytotherapeutic) heart remedies are available via a classical homeopath, but they should fit the presenting symptoms (symptomatology) and modalities etc.

Also several protocols for using Crataegus and/or Cactus grandiflorus are possible, again all depending of the individual`s situation. So this protocol may be different and usually is for each patient.

Crataegus is mainly a heart tonic which acts on the heart muscle and is mainly used for chronic heart disease, leading to weakness and debility. Sometimes the condition is accompanied by a convulsive, spasmodic cough for which Cactus gandiflorus may be prescribed, but this is not the only remedy possible, because sometimes Spongia or some other remedy can be prescribed first.

Crataegus is usually prescribed in mother tincture or very low potency (so usually not the 30x you mention !)

Cactus is also often prescribed in mother tincture or in very low potency, but also in medium and even higher potencies up the 200c or 200k. 

After having seen the patient the homeopath will decide on the right dosing schedule and whether mother tincture (phytotherapy) or a remedy in potency is required and which potency should be started with first.

He will also decide if the MT is indicated how many drops one dose should consist of, because this may differ considerably for each patient. 

Auscultation is sometimes necessary to establish e.g. the seriousness of a heart cough etc.

Perhaps now it`s clear why your father should be seen by a professional !

Wim



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Oct. 06 at 22:13

I have to agree with Wim that Crat. is used as an herb, in mother tincture, rather than the 30X potency.  Five drops in water, three times a day, is what Robin Murphy, ND always recommends in heart cases; and, as it's a heart nutrient, I can't think of why a person with heart disease couldn't benefit from it.

I'm not familiar with this bottle-guard drink?  What is that?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct. 06 at 01:45

Yes Elaine ...5 gtt TID is given quite often....but e.g. for a patient treated for e.g. typhoid with a sudden collapse and symptoms such as irregular breathing, cold extremities, very pale face, etc.  it may be given as an intercurrent (instead of e.g. Carbo veg.) even every 2 hours till amel. Sometimes if the heart rhythm doesn`t improve, respiration is laboured/irregular etc. you can go up even to 20 drops for a dose, as necessary

It`s most certainly not a DIY tincture or hom. remedy !

Wim

 

  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct. 06 at 11:04

You make a good point that you do have to adjust your dosage just like you would any other remedy, to conform to the severity of the state and the patient's response to the medicine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct. 06 at 13:26

Yes..that`s right....and prescribing MT`s is often/usually very similar to allopathy of course !

I`m ever so pleased now phytotherapy etc. was also part of my studies, i.e. part of my voluntary self-imposed curriculum !...

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