Topic: Dogmatism in homeopathy Posted: 08 July 05 at 23:24
Jan Scholten
Dogmatism in homeopathy
In the homeopathic literature and discussion we often encounter strong
dogmatic features.Sometimes it looks like religious fanaticism. In
order to base one’s statement one often finds “Hahnemann has said…”.
Open discussion is made difficult this way. Science has to do
with arguments and facts, not so much with authorities. Following one
example of such a viewpoint, we can make the situation more clear.
Only proving symptoms
It’s often said that the source of our Materia Medica are
provings and only provings. We can find this idea already in § 21 of
the Organon (Hahnemann): “Now, as it is undeniable that the curative
principle in medicines is not in itself perceptible, and as in pure
experiments with medicines conducted by the most accurate observers,
nothing can be observed that can constitute them medicines or remedies
except that power of causing distinct alterations in the state of
health of the human body, and particularly in that of the healthy
individual, and of exciting in him various definite morbid symptoms; so
it follows that when medicines act as remedies, they can only bring
their curative property into play by means of this their power of
altering man's state of health by the production of peculiar symptoms;
and that, therefore, we have only to rely on the morbid phenomena which
the medicines produce in the healthy body as the sole possible
revelation of their in - dwelling curative power, in order to learn
what disease - producing power, and at the same time what disease -
curing power, each individual medicine possesses.” Put in more modern
language this paragraph looks like: “The curative power of remedies can
only be observed by their action on human beings; therefore that
curative power can only be learned from their action on healthy humans;
this means provings”. It’s clear from this paragraph that Hahnemann
means that only provings symptoms are the source of our Materia Medica.
We can conclude from the use of “only” and
“sole”.
This statement of Hahnemann is often repeated in homeopathy. Julian
Winston writes: ”All of Scholten’s work, no matter how interesting and
no matter how useful, is not, at this point homeopathy because we have
no provings – only some clinical data”. Heudens repeats this
statement often in her seminars. Vithoulkas seems to promote the same
idea: “That means you don’t prove a substance. If you prove a substance
correctly, I have no problem at all”.
Practice
What is the practice in homeopathy. This is best illustrated with an
example. The example is taken from the “Essence of Materia Medica”
(Vithoulkas). These essences are used by many homeopaths with great
satisfaction and have become a kind of standard of the essence of
remedies. Lycopodium is just taken by chance. When we check which
symptoms from this essence are found in the povings, we find the
following results:
Symptoms not found (particularly not in the proving of Hahnemann):
coward, inadequate, responsibility, image, friendly, courage, sexual
gratification, one night stand, averse marriage, superficial sex,
competent, premature ejaculation, intelligent, intellectual, priest,
lawyer, teacher, politician, bluff, inferiority, exaggerate, bloating
ego, compensate, admiration, prove, loner, spinster, celibacy,
spiritual, obsessed, dictatorial, tyrannical, passive, bolster, lies,
fear dark, fear ghost, fear dog, imbecility, senility, emaciation face,
emaciation neck, emaciation chest, wrinkled face, wrinkles, hair gray,
flapping alae nasi, frigidity, nephritis, stomach ulcer, hemorrhoids,
indulgence.
So 52 symptoms cannot be found back in the provings, 13 symptoms are
found. This means that 80% of the symptoms of Vithoulkas’s essence are
not found in the provings. This is quite annoying when homeopathy has
to be based on proving. Some of the 52 unfound symptoms can be found in
the repertory of Kent. But they cannot be traced back to provings as
Kent has put a lot of clinical data in his repertory. The conclusion
must be that the basic Materia Medica is far away from the provings.
General keynotes can even be in contradiction with the provings. The
word left is more prominent in the proving of Lycopodium of Hahnemann,
whereas the remedy is known as a right sided remedy.
This is of course only one example. But the same procedure can be done
for many other remedies and for many other Materia Medica’s. It’s a
common experience that most homeopaths have pictures in mind quite
different from the provings. So most homeopaths won’t recognize
provings read to them. When I read the first page of the proving of
Lycopodium to the audience of the ECCH conference in Trömso, no one of
the 400 homeopaths recognized it. The same happened in 2 other
seminars. This can be attributed to the fact that provings are long
listings of symptoms. But the fact that no one recognizes it,
means that those listings are far away from the pictures those homeopaths have in mind.
Law of Similars states the efficiency of clinical data
We can also look at the statement of § 21 from a theoretical point of
view. The law of similars says: a remedy can cure what it can produce.
A proving shows what a remedy can produce.
Hence provings will show us what a remedy can cure. So proving symptoms and pictures can be used as a Materia Medica.
But the opposite is just as true: a remedy can produce what it can
cure. So cured symptoms and pictures can tell us the proving picture.
This means that clinical information, curative information is just as
valuable for our Materia Medica as provings. This is inherent in the law
of Similars. But the conclusion of § 21 is contradiction with it.
§ 21 in contradiction with Law of Similars
It’s even the case that Hahnemann used clinical information to deduce
the Law of Similars.He used the information of the curative power of
China and compared that with his own proving of China. From the
similarity between the two he concluded the Law of Similars.
Hahnemann needed both the information of the curative power of China
and the proving power of China to derive the Law of Similars. It’s one
step further to state that the law of Similars can only be deduced by
also using clinical curative powers. Without comparing proving pictures
with cured pictures the Law of Similars cannot be deduced (it would be
more correct to use the concept of induction instead of deduction;
deduction is a logical derivation from laws and axioms: induction is
the generalization from a group of events). So the law of
Similars cannot be derived without using clinical data. The ultimate
conclusion of this way of reasoning must be that homeopaths who are
adhering to § 21 of the Organon are in contradiction with the basic law
of homeopathy. This is so because § 21 in itself is in contradiction
with the law of Similars.
How then did Hahnemann reach his conclusion of § 21. His assumption
was: “The curative power of remedies can only be observed by their
action on human beings”. From this assumption he deduced the
conclusion: “therefore that curative power can only be learned
from their action on healthy humans; this means provings”. In his
assumption he speaks about the action on human beings, but in his
conclusion he writes of the action on “healthy” human beings. So
Hahnemann introduces a limitation of the action, first it was on all
human beings, later only on healthy human beings. The limitation is
introduced suddenly and without explanation. It’s not backed up. Hence
the deduction is incorrect, the “therefore” isn’t justified. It’s a
mistake in logic. The conclusion must be that the way of reasoning in §
21 is incorrect.
Of course there had to be something wrong in § 21. The conclusion in it
is incorrect as we’ve seen before. Hence the assumption or deduction of
Hahnemann have to be incorrect.
Organon contains contradictions
So § 21 of the Organon contains an illogical derivation and a
statement in contradiction with the basic law of Similars. When the
Organon would be just a historical document that wouldn’t be a big
problem. But the Organon is often seen as the basic text of homeopathy.
It’s often taught in homeopathic schools as the basic homeopathic
theory. The Organon is often treated as a bible.
Some examples can make this clear. Thielens writes: “Men who follow law
should recognize Hahnemann’s Organon as the fixed and settled
authority, and the opinion of one or many as of little value”. Stuart
Close wrote : “He only is ‘The Master’ to whom the first
great revelation of truth was made and by whom it was first developed
and proclaimed”.Saravan writes: “The only hero is Hahnemann. Loyalty is
to the science and its only Master.”. From these statements a picture
emerges as Homeopathy being a religion and Hahnemann being it’s
prophet. These statements are sectarian, not scientific. A science has
no masters, only promoters and developers.
Hahnemann
So Hahnemann is fallible, not a holy person that couldn’t make
mistakes, cannot be criticized. I often encounter situations that I
have to defend myself when I criticize Hahnemann. But for me
criticizing doesn’t mean that I don’t admire Hahnemann. I see Hahnemann
as the Newton of medicine. He was the first to give medicine a firm
ground and some basic laws whereas before that there were only
scattered facts without theory. The same was the situation with Newton,
he gave physics a firm basis with his laws of mechanics. But even with
the enormous admiration for Newton in physics, no student in physics
reads the original works of Newton anymore. There are far better
accounts of the ideas of Newton, with far better ways of
displaying his ideas and mathematics. It would even be an insult to stick to the exact writings and reasoning of Newton.
Some biologists, talking to a colleague homeopath, were astonished that
homeopathy was still using books of two centuries ago as text books.
How is it possible that homeopathy still uses those books as the
Organon? It is as if Homeopathy hasn’t developed since it’s start. The
biologists asked themselves and us how a science didn’t evolve in two
centuries still using the same books. Winston sees the adherence to the
Organon as a criterion of “good” homeopathy:“Vithoulkas did not spend
much time discussing philosophy or the Organon in his in-person
lectures”. But how can we adhere to a book like the Organon as our
basic text book, when already in one paragraph there are violations of
logic and of the basic law of homeopathy.That won’t promote a lot of
confidence in scientist and the public.
When we like to see homeopathy as a science then we have to hold to
scientific principles. In science persons have no argument value. Facts
and ways of reasoning are the basic statements and arguments. Dogma’s
of authorities, whether they are Hahnemann or Kent or whoever, have no
place in science.
Any comments??
Murthy
Edited by gavinimurthy
Avoid doing things to others which will make you red when others do it to you.
It was with a heavy heart that we read the latest edition of Homeopathy Today. The editorial attacks on the ideas of Rajan Sankaran, Jan Scholten, Nancy Herrick, Todd Rowe and others are unwarranted. While it is very clear that Mr. Winston has a great love for and desire to protect homeopathy, his sweeping use of the editorial position to advocate his personal beliefs has become a detriment to the National Center. Many people have dropped their membership in the NCH because of the increasingly divisive tone in the newsletter. No good to homeopathy can come from one person or group trying to impose their idea of what is "good homeopathy" upon others. Let ideas and clinical results speak for themselves. Thus this letter has been examined, co-edited, and co-signed by a large number of concerned and prominent homeopaths who wish to raise their voices against intolerance and divisiveness. We have much important work ahead of us; we cannot allow ourselves to be sidetracked by partisan bickering.
Especially pernicious is the oft-repeated technique of proposing a "straw man" case to show that one set of ideas is unworkable. In one glaring example of this technique, Dr. Shepperd presents a case of Anacardium which he uses to criticize Sankaran's concept of kingdom. Two of the main elements of the case described were extreme sensitivity and feeling offended which are hallmarks of what Sankaran describes as belonging to the plant kingdom. In fact, Dr. Shepperd shows such a superficial understanding of the concepts being criticized that it appears he has not bothered to actually read Sankaran's books before publishing his opinion.
All homeopaths try to find the simillimum using every possible clue Our materia medica and repertory are the bedrock of practice and each of the writers attacked are expert with these tools. If we had a perfect set of information to work with, no innovation and no new remedies would be needed. Unfortunately that is not our situation. The majority of our remedies are poorly proven– pitifully less than the fine provings of Ms. Herrick that Mr. Winston criticizes. Our repertories are contradictory and mistake ridden, Even old remedies that are clearly described in our literature are not available from any pharmacy. We do not know everything–in fact we know very little. Many times we miss seeing cases which are staring us in the face if we could only open our minds to the patient and see in a different way. Is there any among us so arrogant as to believe he cures every case? Can't we admit our many failures? Every homeopath (including Dr. Gypser and Dr. Sheppard we feel certain) has dozens–no hundreds–of failures that arrive at the doors of his colleagues. Not one of us holds "The Answer." What is needed is tolerance to hearing new ideas and techniques without ever loosening our grip on the basics–the materia medica and the repertory.
What is most concerning, however is the effort to make serious people sound ridiculous, unthinking or superficial. Mr. Winston seems to feel capable of judging whether or not something is or is not homeopathy. He states that Jan Scholten's work is not homeopathy because there are no provings–thus ignoring some dozen provings reported in Scholten's book. He states that there are insufficient cases of Ms. Herrick's remedies to place them in the repertory thus ignoring multiple cases reported in journals throughout the world. Ms. Herrick's careful exploration of the nuances of new remedies need to be supported and improved upon rather than criticized. Is it impossible to believe people of good faith when their ideas conflict with our own? Indeed, by the criterion set by Mr. Winston (supervisors, placebo controls, etc.), most of the remedies in our materia medicas would be thrown out–even those proved by Hahnemann. What are we to make of the fact that 95% of the time Dr. Gypser prefers remedies proved from before 1864? Is this a valid way to determine the simillimum? Do provings become valid simply because they are old?
Mr. Winston and Dr. Sheppard also criticize Sankaran's concept of the "central delusion." But what does Sankaran's search for a central delusion mean? In practice it is nothing more than the attempt to look deeply into the mind and heart of our patient to find the suffering–call it "symptoms" if you prefer–of the individual in front of us. This is not theorizing; it is listening to phenomena in exactly the way Goethe spoke. When Sankaran uses a dream it is not by "interpreting" the dream or "theorizing" as suggested by Dr. Sheppard and Mr. Winston. Rather the only question asked about the dream is how the patient felt in the dream. This is a simple technique for accessing the suffering the patient feels–his "state" as Hahnemann put it.
Mangiolavori speaks of the general themes of a plant family; Sankaran speaks of themes of the kingdoms, Vithoulkas speaks of an essence; Herrick speaks of the behavior of the animal whose milks she has proved; Scholten speaks of similarities of symptoms in related chemicals. When all of these fine homeopaths write of their ideas, it is to add to our current understanding. None of them asks us to throw out our repertories, rather they say, "When you find yourself with a patient for whom repertorization does not lead to a clear remedy try looking at the case from this perspective to see if it may shed some light." If some misuse the work, should we throw out the concept? Do some people carry these ideas too far? Yes, but let's us not throw out the baby with the bathwater. We are not a science that knows every answer. Rather we are like a family working together on a jigsaw puzzle. One new piece can be found and grouped with another piece, even if we do not see at the moment how this discovery fits into the whole puzzle.
Perhaps coincidentally a letter by Steven Olsen is also published in this issue. This letter objects to the "Doctrine of signatures " It is true that Hahnemann disparaged this doctrine. At the time of Hahnemann the "doctrine of signatures" meant simply and only that the shape of a substance could be used to determine the organ the plant was likely to help (for example a bean-shaped leaf applies to kidney ailments). This rudimentary doctrine was criticized by Hahnemann. But nowhere does Hahnemann criticize the idea that the source of the remedy has a bearing on the symptoms it produces. Why are nine of our snake remedies listed for fear or dreams of snakes? Why do numerous plant remedies have their aggravations at the exact hour when the species opens its flower (Pulsatilla at sunset, etc.). Why are so many of our remedies made from creeping plants found to have dreams or desire to travel? Is this coincidence or is it possible that the life struggles and habits of the remedy source do influence the feelings of the provers? We cannot explain how this might take place but why should this concept be so implausible? Is it inconceivable to Mr. Olsen that the physiology of the plant or animal from which a remedy is taken will have a bearing upon the symptoms produced in the proving? And if the physiology of the remedy source can give us clues, why would we ignore the possibility of using these hints? Would any responsible homeopath use only this type of data in formulating a remedy decision? Decidedly not.
We hope we are wrong in supposing that all of these articles indicate a strong editorial conviction against and intolerance to hearing new concepts. It seems that Mr. Winston has developed a clear image of what he believes is "Good" homeopathy and that Dr. Gypser ranks high in his concept. We can see this in many articles and reviews in recent issues of Homeopathy Today: He criticizes the text of Dr. Rowe; he takes the unusual step of re-reviewing Ms. Herrick's book (not liking the earlier favorable review); his recent monthly columns have strongly criticized several other authors. We do not believe Mr. Winston is taking Homeopathy Today in a heartily direction but rather using it as a bully pulpit to voice his own personal views. Perhaps Mr. Winston no longer feels able to represent the homeopathic community?
We are not suggesting that Mr. Winston does not have a right to express his opinion. However the most recent issue is given almost entirely over to this intolerant viewpoint. We want to be certain that Mr. Winston's personal opinion is not allowed to speak for our whole community. One immediate way to reassure the many staunch homeopaths who are concerned about this editorial leaning is to allow others in specific fields to review new books. For example, allow someone who has actually done a proving to review a work on provings; allow someone who is involved in the actual teaching of constitutional homeopathy to review books on education; allow someone who is an actual homeopathic practitioner to review books about homeopathic practice; and so forth. Homeopathy Today is one of the major voices of our community. Mr. Winston should feel proud that he has made such a contribution to this newsletter and the community owes him much. It would be a shame to allow this newsletter to devolve into partisanship and divisiveness which will only wound the community it exists to serve.
Roger Morrison, MD, Author, Desktop Guide to Keynotes and Confirmatory Symptoms; President, Hahnemann Medical Clinic; Instructor, Hahnemann College of Homeopathy
Jonathan Shore, MD, DHt, Instructor, Hahnemann College of Homeopathy; Past editor, Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy
Nancy Herrick, PA, Author, Animal Minds, Human Voices; Instructor, Hahnemann College of Homeopathy
Dr. Rajan Sankaran, Author, Spirit of Homeopathy and System of Homeopathy
Steven King, ND, Past president, International Foundation for Homeopathy; Course coordinator, IFH professional course
Ted Chapman. MD, DHt, Clinical Instructor, Harvard and Tufts University Medical Schools; Past President, American Institute of Homeopathy; President, Council on Homeopathy Education
Mitchell Fleischer, MD, Instructor, National Center for Homeopathy
Ed Kondrot, MD, Instructor, Desert Institute of Classical Homeopathy
David Riley, MD, Editor in Chief, Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine; Medical Director, Integrative Medicine Institute; Co-founder, Integrative Medicine Education Associates
Duncan Soule, MD, Director, Fulcrum Institute; Instructor, Hahnemann College of Homeopathy
Declan Hammond, RSHom, Directors Irish School of Homeopathy
Jeff Baker, ND, Director, Maui Academy of Homeopathy
Deborah Gordon, MD, Instructor, Hahnemann College of Homeopathy
Melissa Fairbanks, RSHom, Director, Four Winds Seminar
Corrie Hiwat, RSHom, Editor of Homeopathic Links
Harry van der Zee, MD, Author, Miasms in Labor; Editor Homeopathic Links
Andrew Bonner, ND, Hahnemann College of Homeopathy
Rebecca Reese, MD, Hahnemann College of Homeopathy
Richard Moskowitz, MD, Past President, NCH; Reviewer, Homeopathy Today; Author, Homeopathic Medicines for Pregnancy and Childbirth, etc.
Eric Sommerman, PhD, RSHom (NA), Director, Northwestern Academy of Homeopathy
Deborah Collins, MD, RCHom, International lecturer
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Edited by gavinimurthy
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So really I don't feel we need to be in either camp.
Dogmatism and rejection of new ideas vs a lack of regard/repsect and consideration for traditional methods.
Traditional methods need to always be the foundation of any learning or recpetivity for new ideas. Without a proper foundation, many homeopaths today are making a mess of true chronic treatment, which is what the traditional homeopaths have rightly pointed out.
Where as putting on blinders and rejecting new ideas because one cannot understand them and calling them "empty speculations" and pseudohomeopathy is also not healthy.
New ideas don't always work to cure and have to pass the test of time in homeopathy. One cannot rely totally on them in every situation, then what one can a homeopath do? One can only fall back on traditional methods to finally help the patient.
Hahn. may not be right hundred percent, but, his logic and his penchant
for experimentation, is unparalleled. The 'theories' of people like
Scholten, are just surmises, not supported by clinical confirmation, as on now. A case here and there is not proof enough.
It is an accepted fact that the basis of homeopathic prescription is on
the data provided by 'proving' symtoms, and authentic 'clinical' data.
To enter a clinical symptom into the repertory, it has to be verified,
by many doctors, many times, and till that time one has to be cautious
in using them.
That is why, many well meaning people, are cautioning about the inclusion of symptoms left and right into the new repertories.
Murthy
Edited by gavinimurthy
Avoid doing things to others which will make you red when others do it to you.
I take the liberty to bud in with an outside view: Seen from our vantage point of 200 years later, there are a couple of other weaknesses in Hahnemann's reasoning.
- We now know that the curative effect of a medicine needs not only be in its ability to produce symptoms. An example: Whatever one might think about antibiotics, it is indisputable that they are able to cure bacterial infections. Yet they do not produce any of the symptoms of such infections. Thus we can conclude that like cures like is not the only curable principle.
- We now know that like does not always cure like. Our knowledge of the causes of a long row of diseases has shown us that mimicking their symptom profiles, even those of the individual patients, will not cure them. Thus we can conclude that like cures like is not a universal principle.
I think that Murthy has a very pertinent point here. When I see homeopaths debating, both with skeptics and among themselves, I see a great reluctance to openly question Hahnemann, yet it is often obvious that they do not embrace all that Hahnemann says. I think that the scientist Hahnemann would have been dismayed to see his works being used unquestioningly for such a long time.
Only in short. Hans, Your post starts with a wrong picture on antibiotics. Having a look
to hopspitals: how many infections ( for example pneumonias) cannot
anymore be treaten by antibiotics? They are simply resistant to known
antibiotics. Damaging the intestinal flora, is this cure?
How comes, that mothers enter our homeopathic practices asking for
homeopathy bec. their children are getting antibiotics, frequently, for
a couple of years already, again and again, and still, so often they
catch the colds and the flu. More and more frequently and easily. 'Is
there a chance that homeopathy can restore my child's immune system?'
Not a good example for a cure, sorry to say so. Maybe impressive
suppression of actual symptoms (killing the non resistant microbes) can easily be displayed. (There are cases though, when such
treatment is necessary. But nowadays misuse of antibiotics is not a
good example for this discussion on cure).
2nd paragraph: '... mimicking their symptom profiles, even those of the individual patients, will not cure them'. What a 'brilliant' statement. Is this the base the following conclusion relies on?
Sigi, we can discuss the vices and virtues of antibiotics elsewhere. The principle remains: Provided correct application, etc, etc, antibiotics CAN cure a bacterial infection, and indeed this is what happens in the vast majority of the cases. The fact that they may temporarily knock out your intestinal flora is just underlining that antibiotics are not a similum. So the conclusion stands: There are other things than similars that can cure.
On the second paragraph .. who has been talking about taking things out of context? .. I said that we know for sure about a row of diseases that those diseases cannot be cured by similum. I could mention type 1 diabtes. So the conclusion stands: Similars do not always cure.
So, a pertinent discussion could be about the limitations of the "law of similars". How far does it reach? Which are the exceptions?
Sorry Hans,
it was You who started with antibiotics in this thread. What You call
cure is the fight against the actual infection, to which I agree that
it can be and often is life saving. But the fact that peoples immune
systems more and more develop inefficiency in fighting even simple
infections, due to unnecessary and repeated prescriptions of
antibiotics in the patient's history,tells, that what You understand of
being cure is the damaging of the body's self defense. So You cannot
call it cure, call it maybe fighting and temporarily controlling the
actual infection.
Thanks for correcting me in taking things out of context. So I better write:
2nd paragraph: 'We now know that like does not always cure like. Our knowledge of the causes of a long row of diseases has shown us that
mimicking their symptom profiles, even those of the individual
patients, will not cure them.'. What a 'brilliant' statement. Is this the base Your following conclusion relies on?
You say 'We now know ...'
which makes me understand Your following text in context with the wrong
example given in the first paragraph. How will You construct a correct
conclusion based on the wrong assumption/example given previously?
sigi
The "no true Scotsman" argument. When antibiotics remove an infection and leaves the patient free of symptoms, you do not consider it a true cure, thus you define "cure" by the method, not by the result.
Correctly used antibiotics do not interfere with the immune system. Indeed, nearly all problems with antibiotics arise from incorrect use.
"We now know" refers to present-day knowledge, as opposed to the knowledge available in Hahnemann's days.
Thanks to make clear the "We now Know" statement. I see Your then following statements from the different angle now.
As antibiotics seem to be commonly used incorrectly (since their use on
so many patients commonly doesn't leave them free from symptoms, since
their frequent and often unnecessary use produces the negative effects
I previously mentioned), a better example would have avoided this
controversy of views in this thread.
sigi
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Posted: 13 July 05 at 09:09
Hello to all
Sigi I'm with you on the antibiotics. Many of the patients we see daily are those comming in with the adverse effects of antibiotics (even taken 'properly") It destroys the gut and never departs its effects of distruction even years and years later.
Many names of current illness are a adverse effect of the use of antibiotic to list only a few;
acne
adrenal/thyroid imbalance
allergies
asthma
bad breath
bladder infections
bone loss
burning eyes
chemical sensitivity
colds/flue
colitis
constipation
depression
diarrhea
dizziness
dry eye/mouth
dry skin/itching
epstein bar
fatique
toe fungus
food cravings
frequent infections
gas/bloating
hairloss
hay fever
sinus infections
headaces
heartburn
hemorrhoids
high/low blood sugar
hormonal imb.
hyperactivity
indigestion
inflammatory cond.
insomnia
ibs
joint pains
lethargic
lupus
malabsorption
menses imbl.
mood swings
muscle aches
no sex drive
overweight
pms
puffy eyes
respiratory problems
rash/hives
thrust/gum receding
ulcers
vaginal yeast inf.
And the fact that more and more meds are given on top of the original illness to combat these secondary symptoms,the body get large doses of toxin instead of a cure (via antibiotics).........
Many cases of antibiotic use sent autistic children in a toxic spin sending them spiraling backwards in treatment (homeopathic treatment) They suddenly stop speaking,stop interacting.
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Posted: 13 July 05 at 13:29
When they were discovered -antibiotics were a blessing as they really saved lives. Now they are misused and abused; they were acting by giving a body a fighting chance killing bacteria--and now the drug companies synthetize a toxic drugs caled antibiotics which are causing horrible side effect, weaken the body and are often ineffective in killing infectious bacteria.
anti- bio- means against life--and so they are.
They were miraculous when discovered -- but then the medical world chose the wrong way.
Which is in fact not that important.
Important is: who read Murthy's second post (the one with very few words in line)? I just want to feel better knowing I'm not the only one here with this total lack of patience.
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Posted: 14 July 05 at 07:45
I didn't complain. I just didn't read it -then, but now I have no excuses any more. (but someone here was first - so it could be worse!)
ok I will read it (only because I often agree with Murthy and he in a way validates my point- except about GV) although we lost the original topic of this discussion long time ago.
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