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Posted: 13 Dec. 04 at 09:10 | IP Logged Report Post Quote onyx

  Hi Friends, The following news was published in one of the leading newspaper of our state.  Isn't the a welcome development.  Aren't we closer to answering doubting Thomases.  An after thought, do we really owe them an explanation

Medical analyzer records body response to homoeo medicine

 MUMBAI, NOV 24 (PTI)- The electronic division of Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) has developed a novel instrument ‘medical analyser’ capable of giving physiological parameters with variations in large numbers and recording autonomic response of the body with homœopathic medicines in higher dilution.

With just one signal, the analyzer is able to derive variability, according to J D Jindal, chief coordinator of the analyzer department.

The parameter include heart rate, respiration rate, stroke volume, cardiac output and peripheral blood flow in upper extremities in a quietly lying down subject.

“In addition, the same hardware with the help of different software packages could be used to diagnose peripheral vascular occlusive diseases in out patient departments and monitor cardiac output continuously in the intensive care unit”, Jindal told PTI here on Wednesday.

“Encouraged by the study on various parameters, the department took keen interest to look for significant changes in the autonomic response of the human body with homoeopathic medicines in higher dilution,” he said.

“We observed that significant changes occur in variability spectrum after the administration of the homeopathic medicines.  Also the changes observed are different for different medicines,” he said.

Replying to a query why the department chose to study the response of homoeopaths medicine, Jindal said “Although the homoeopathic medicine of the 12th or higher potency does not contain even one atom or molecule of the medicinal substance and still cure most of the diseases, no specific study was conclusively evidenced significant difference between the homoeopathic medicines and pure solvent till today.”

“Furthermore, the efforts to record changes caused by these medicines in physiological parameters are also highly specific in nature and can not be reproduced on demand.” he added.

Considering these limitations, the ‘medical analyser’ has recorded variability in heart rate and peripheral blood flow in 24 unbiased control subjects before and after the administration of homoeopathic medicine in 30,000 and 10,000 potency, Jindal said.

“The observations are important as they are recordable and reproducible and no specificity is required in choosing the control subject or the medicine,” he said.

Secondly, these changes are brought about by the homoeopathic preparation having no material existence even at atomic or molecular level, he said and added that there was a scope to document specific autonomic responses during systematic proving of the drug to act as template during patient management.

“Medical analyzer system has a potential to act as a tool for unfolding mystery of action of material-less medicine,” the BARC scientist added.



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Posted: 13 Dec. 04 at 18:01 | IP Logged Quote H Dr Shahkeel

In a seminar, Dr. mas was telling us that he has met many good and prominent scientists of Pakistan who are involved in atomic experimentation. Most of them are Ph.D in Chemistry and Physics. He discussed the homeopathic potency issue with them.

He has also listened lectures and meetings of famous scientists of Pakistan. He has also the honour of meeting with Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan and Dr. Samar Mubarak Mand. He listened the lectures which they delivered after the explosion of atom bomb.

He also closely observed experiments in Pakistan Institute of Nuclear Science and Technology, where no body is allowed to visit.

After saying so, I would like to inform members that doctors in Pakistan are very curious to know what is homeopathic potency. How does it work in scientific manner. Dr.Mas was telling us, that he discussed the issue of homeo potency with Major Khalid, Major Atlas and Major Naveed, Major Faheem, all are Ph.D in Physics and Chemistry. They said, homeopathic potency is a material dose and work according to the principle of science. The idea that homeo potency is immaterial is wrong.

Your posting also tells us, that you and other members are very curious to know about homeopathic medicines and wants to know the phenomenon involved in this mystry. This also shows that those who explains homeopathy on philosophical ground are absoultly wrong.



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Congratulations to BARC Scientists and Research  officers CCRH,Mumbai and Director general CCRH, NIH,FMHCM,Mangalore for conductiong such a huge and effective work on Homeopathy, I feel happy to write this comment. and happy to inform you that I have little acquintance with the medical analyser I have worked with the equipement when I was worked under ccrh in mumbai while working for this project.

In this junction I would like to introduce my work on physiological variability.

please visit http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com

Thanks Dr.DEVENDRA KUMAR


“Which gives information on Homeopathic Research,   work gives a new thought on selection of Homeopathic medicine to a patient and helpful in the identification of Homeopathic medicine .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov. 10 at 01:13

"they said, homeopathic potency is a material dose and work according to the principle of science. The idea that homeo potency is immaterial is wrong."

do you expect a full time material thinking and being scientist can say something else but that ?

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Homeopathic energies transmitted via material substance. do you agree with this?

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  Not really. Because there is nothing "homeopathic". Homeopathic is only a word describing a healing method and a method of preparation, but it does not create a new form of matter. Something can exist only in 3 different form: material, etheric or spiritual.

Second, there is no energy without a body which produces it. Using the word energy alone is a mistake made by scientists and taken over by all. If you see an energy, than it is the energy of something very real (sun, lamp, beings, photons, generator, etc) and cannot exist by itself.

Using the right words it makes everything easier and clearer. The correct form in this case would be "etheric substances contained in sugar or alcohol."


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Originally posted by scarface

   Something can exist only in 3 different form: material, etheric or spiritual.




How do you know ?

Could you prove this ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov. 10 at 13:49
Very easy to prove: 

1. What you though writing here is pure spiritual nature
2. You can read it because it is displayed on a material screen
3. Although the information written in the computer is not material, nor spiritual, you can see it and read it. But in order to do this, you need a material support and a spiritual content. 
This is the etheric part of what you wrote, stored in bits and bytes with the the help of current and displayed with the help of electronic components.   

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Sorry , but I do not understand .
How do you define etheric ?

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