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    Posted: 21 Oct. 09 at 05:43
Drainage Remedies:

I wold like to stress the importance of so-called visceral drainage remedies in chronic disease. When a selected similar fails to respond, the patient shall often be benefited, if placed on one of the drainage remedies in Mother Tincture or Lowest Potencies, as Follows:-

Liver............................................................. Cardus M
Spleen........................................................... Helianthus 
Kidneys........................................................  Solidago. v 
Urino-Genital................................................. Senecio
Lungs........................................................... Tussilago far
Mucous Membranes....................................... Inula


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  Quote Brisbanehomoeopath Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct. 09 at 16:03
Drainage breaks the principle of the single remedy, I am not keen to complicate my cases or suppress them in this way.
 
The only reason a 'similar' remedy fails to respond is because it is not the similar. I would find the correct remedy rather than rely on non-homoeopathic methods.
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  Quote DrAamir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct. 09 at 10:34
yes David you Right but some time your best similar selected remedy are not work because some hidden causes when you use Drainage remedy before using similar selected remedy clear your patients picture.
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  Quote Katja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct. 09 at 14:38

I doubt that they clear the symptom picture due to detoxification as there is no better remedy to detoxify the body than the true simillimum.
I think the appearance of a "clearer" symptom picture is just what occurs after giving a partial simile - that the vital force throws up more symptoms which allow to find a better remedy. As Hahnemann mentioned for the treatment of one-sided diseases; but even here he pointed out that there is seldom a true lack of symptoms, but that this problem rather goes on the account of inattentiveness of the homeopath.


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It is an allopathic approach to use remedies to clear 'hidden' causes. Uncover the cause and prescribe with confidence is what I would say, rather than speculate on it. There is nothing homoeopathic about using specific remedies for an organ with no attention to the peculiar, strange, rare, individual symptoms.
 
I would add to my first comment, that Drainage also breaks the Law of similars. How much homoeopathy is left in the method (perhaps only the use of non-material doses?).
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  Quote David Johnson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct. 09 at 16:59
Dr. Aamir,

By using mother tinctures it sounds as though you're using an herbal perspective (as opposed to strictly homeopathic) for application of these remedies.  Can you provide some examples of these tinctures being helpful in your practice?

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  Quote sajjadakram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct. 09 at 04:59
The idea of drainage came from French Homeopath and others.According to them by doing so aggravation can be avoided.
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  Quote Kaviraj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct. 09 at 11:44
Drainage remedies were used by Hahnemann - just as organopathy - before he discovered homoeopathy and discarded them as inadequate.
(See Lesser Writings and please note the dates of the articles)

So why go back to antiquated methods?

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  Quote Kaviraj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct. 09 at 11:46
btw, Sajjad, empty your inbox please. can't answer your message

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  Quote sajjadakram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct. 09 at 19:00
Originally posted by Kaviraj

btw, Sajjad, empty your inbox please. can't answer your message

It is empty now.
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  Quote AstroTheDog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct. 09 at 23:39
Originally posted by Brisbanehomoeopath

Drainage breaks the principle of the single remedy, I am not keen to complicate my cases or suppress them in this way.



Originally posted by Brisbanehomoeopath

uncover the cause and prescribe with confidence is what I would say, rather than speculate on it.


bahhh!

why does there have to be a single cause for everyone?  i don't buy it.

a single remedy for every sick person on the face of the earth?  again, bahhhhhhh!!!!


here is a question for you and others who think alike....


would you accept a wager that you are correct on all your main homeopathic principle beliefs whereby if you are wrong you are then condemned to a life of extreme torture but if you are right you are granted 10 wishes?



i've had some amazing things done by a few different remedies.  i'm not buying it that there is a single remedy that would unravel everything.  people who think that way are over simplifying the human condition to the extreme.

think of an AIDS patient with 35 co-existing infections, and decades of psychological trauma, and decades of malnourishment and on and on...... who here thinks that a single remedy restores this person to perfect health?






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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 01:33
Hello AstroTheDog,
if you have followed the posts and cases by Brisbanehomoeopath, then you should know  that he writes about a remedy at a time. Not of a single remedy for the treatment of the whole complex and long lasting case...
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  Quote AstroTheDog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 01:57
"In the first part of their article on Hepato-Biliary diseases, Dr RS Pareek and Dr Alok Pareek indicate that a study of 186 cases of hepato- biliary diseases with Homoeopathy, conducted by P. H. & R. C (India), covering acute hepatic failure, infective hepatitis, chronic and persistent hepatitis, cirrhosis of liver with portal hypertension and persistent hepatitis B antigenemia responded well to China, Hydrastis, Lyco, Mercurius-sol ,Mag- mur, Nat-sulph, Nux-vom, Phos and Sulph. Cardus-m, Chelidonium, Myrica and Andographis-paniculata were found to be good as organ toning remedies. Hepatitis B. nosode , a single dose used as an intercurrent in chronic persistent hepatitis with a history of blood transfusion and surgeries in the past. They cite a case of fulminant hepatic failure in a girl of 18 years, who did not respond to allopathy and was in ICU in coma; she was initially given two doses of Opium - 1M and 10 M one drop dose- which made her come out of coma and thereafter given Chelidonium 30 twice daily with cardus-m Q 5 drops twice daily for about 35 days and the patient was responding well in terms of reduction of serum bilrubin level. These two drugs were stopped in two stages and finally a dose of Phos 200 as constitutional remedy was given and the tests indicated a Serum bilrubin level of 0.8 mg/dl."


i would let this guy treat me but he is too far away.

instead i am stuck with a quack who dry grafts remedies because he is too cheap to buy replacements.  therefore i (and his other patients) have been given worthless remedies for who knows how many years.

this quack i am seeing claims to talk to god.  completely serious here.  he probably has never had a science class in his life and probably thinks that homeopathy is some mystical gift from the spirit world instead of a hardcore scientific discipline. 

the process of potentizing and succussion must be done exactly according to the texts or no remedy will be produced, but this quack thinks he can just shake up a bunch of blanks with a single real pellet and presto -- instant remedy.


the new agers are destroying everything!

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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 02:20
Originally posted by AstroTheDog

"... were found to be good as organ toning remedies. ..."
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the new agers are destroying everything!


"Organ tonic remedies" you can find also in other modalities like phytotherapy. Homeopathy goes far beyond this approach.
New agers destroy a lot. This is true. There is too much superficiality involved when those new gurus construct their methods on top of homeopathy thus creating new warts on the skin instead of integrating their guesswork or 'theory engineering' (Oh, this one sounds good! Herewith I declare to own the copyright of the term in association with this contextStar.  [LOL]) into homeopathy. Why do they bend their new systems back and forth until they sound somehow reasonable and seem to fit into healing art?? Why do so many former followers abandon the new methods? Probably not bec they are successful with them...
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  Quote Brisbanehomoeopath Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 03:13
Yes as Seigfried stated I was not implying one remedy for life, but referring to the basic homoeopathic principle of the Single Remedy (one at a time). Drainage tends to break that principle as several remedies are used very close together, with no assessment of the action of any of them.
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  Quote Kaviraj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 06:11
Astro,

I would not trust those guys you mention as far as I can throw them - quackopaths of the first order. And i can throw pretty far - blackbelt Judo.

and that guy you are seeing - why keep going there?

as you wrote: "this quack i am seeing claims to talk to god."

sounds like GWB's buddy, LOL. Only difference: your guy has a war on disease, GWB on the "terrists".

Regards,
Kaviraj.


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  Quote sajjadakram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 09:35
Originally posted by AstroTheDog

i would let this guy treat me but he is too far away.

Astro,
If you have his e mail address then do not hesitate to contact him.
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  Quote Kaviraj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 10:04
Well Sajjad,

as i said, I would not trust these guys as far as i can throw them with their adherence to antiquated and superceded methods which Hahnemann rejected.

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  Quote sajjadakram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 10:21
kaviraj,
You are right.It is all due to lack of training.Not more than 1% are able homeopath.Qualification does nothing unless they are well trained to achieve success.
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  Quote sajjadakram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct. 09 at 10:38
Now a days most of the cases presented are fictitious. just to attract public.It is very easy to "form" a case.Just open the repertory-note down some rubrics-repertorize and post them.No body can challenge.
I always prefer to read old homeopath. They were honest and sincere.
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